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Agreed, I think it's completely ridiculous.
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Curry, Barnes, Iguodala, Love, Bogut starts looking like a championship contending line up. Not much bench, but what else exactly are they missing? They have a premiere point guard and perimeter shooting from 4 of their players. 2 big man who are accomplished rebounders, bogut is as good as you could ask for in help D. Love is as good a post presence You could ask for. Only 1 defensive liability and iguodala to take point on perimeter d.
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Mavs voided Reshard Lewis' deal. Failed physical and needs knee surgery.
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Have you noticed the back and forth going on between Parsons and the Rockets
CHANDLER PARSONS TAKES IT BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL, CRITICIZES JAMES HARDEN’S COMMENTS
WRITTEN BY: JULIAN KIMBLE
POSTED ON THU, 07.24.14 AT 6:10PM
I think Parsons is a nice player, but he is delusional if he thinks he will have a bigger role in Dallas than he had in Houston Dirk and Ellis will still get more shots than him and he will not get the minutes he got in Houston were he led everyone in minutes played.
Do you think Parsons can be even the 2nd option on a contender? I don't, his jumper is suspect and he can't take anybody off the dribble, he is a very good complimentary player, but his points come from playing off others.
If you want some laughs read through this thread.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=257055&page=39
He really burned his bridges in Houston.
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Not bad signings to start off the SVG era in Detroit. I don't like that he is apparently going to hang onto Josh Smith though.
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Hamstrung with his contract...terrible signing to begin with.
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No doubt about it but I hear that SVG doesn't want to dump Josh Smith's contract for nothing. He wants value in return. Big mistake on his part. Signing shooters was a good idea though.
Here's the link - http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24631216/report-stan-van-gundy-assures-josh-smith-he-wont-be-traded
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[MENTION=63]Jiggyfly[/MENTION] - yea, I saw that stuff.
Parsons needs to get over it. I hate when athletes go to another team, for a lot of money at that, and then talk about their old teams not valuing them or respecting them or whatever such nonsense.
You're in Dallas now and you get to play a bigger role so that should be his focused. I know he'll be the 3rd player, but Dirk isn't the elite player he used to be and Monta is a nice player, but he's not the player Harden is. In other words, there will be more opportunities to assert himself than he had in Houston.
Parsons is a nice young player that I'm glad the Mavs were able to sign. He should continue to get better and he at least gives us someone as that's young with promise that we can sell as a piece to a potential FA - the lack of any real pieces has hurt us in that regard the last 2 years.
Anyway, the Rockets were wise not to match that deal, and the Mavs were wise to bring in a promising young player given their situation. Chandler should be happy he got his money and shut up.
Parsons needs to get over it. I hate when athletes go to another team, for a lot of money at that, and then talk about their old teams not valuing them or respecting them or whatever such nonsense.
You're in Dallas now and you get to play a bigger role so that should be his focused. I know he'll be the 3rd player, but Dirk isn't the elite player he used to be and Monta is a nice player, but he's not the player Harden is. In other words, there will be more opportunities to assert himself than he had in Houston.
Parsons is a nice young player that I'm glad the Mavs were able to sign. He should continue to get better and he at least gives us someone as that's young with promise that we can sell as a piece to a potential FA - the lack of any real pieces has hurt us in that regard the last 2 years.
Anyway, the Rockets were wise not to match that deal, and the Mavs were wise to bring in a promising young player given their situation. Chandler should be happy he got his money and shut up.
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We're probably a couple of weeks out from the NBA releasing its schedule but I'm willing to bet 3 of the Christmas games will be:
Cleveland at Miami
Chicago at New York
Dallas at Houston
OKC will be thrown in there as well but they'll draw a random opponent...probably the Clippers.
Cleveland at Miami
Chicago at New York
Dallas at Houston
OKC will be thrown in there as well but they'll draw a random opponent...probably the Clippers.
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Those would all be intriguing matchups, and much better than the crap slate of ganes we got last year.
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Looks like I nailed one of them. According to this SI.com report it will be Cleveland at Miami on Christmas day.
SI.com Wire
Posted: Wed Jul. 30, 2014
The Cleveland Cavaliers will play the Miami Heat in Miami on Christmas Day, marking the first time LeBron James will play his former team, the Miami Herald reports.
James announced he would return to Cleveland earlier this month, after spending the past four seasons with the Heat, leading them to two championships.
The NBA schedule is not completed and will be released next month. According to the report, the game likely would be played at either 2:30 p.m. or 5 p.m.
The NBA scheduled five Christmas games in 2013-14. The Heat have played in 10 Christmas Day games, going 8-2 in those contests, winning five straight. Miami beat the Los Angeles Lakers 101-95 on the holiday last season.
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Derrick Rose discusses growing tension with Bulls; Reinsdorf reacts
BY JOE COWLEY Staff Reporter July 31, 2014 4:36PM
LAS VEGAS *— This relationship wasn’t going to end well.
Not for the Bulls, not for Derrick Rose.
It still might not.
But for the first time in his career, Rose, who has three years left on his contract, seems ready to step up and mend a rocky partnership.
“I know it’s been there,’’ Rose told the Sun-Times, acknowledging there has been growing tension between the organization and his camp. “I heard there were some upset people.
“I’m happy I didn’t personally see it. I don’t want to see that. I kind of wonder where it was coming from because it seemed like whenever I was around, everything was all right. It bothered me because when I wasn’t around, I would hear from certain people that everything wasn’t all right.’’
That’s because things often weren’t all right.
Multiple sources in the organization say tension was mounting because Rose allowed his camp to take shots at the franchise. Gradually, there seemed to be less communication between the Bulls and their biggest star. And tensions hit a peak when Rose, who has a five-year, $94.8 million contract, seemed to want no part in the recruitment of players.
The Bulls’ pursuit of free agent Carmelo Anthony was the latest example.
Looking back, it’s clear Rose wasn’t all that interested in teaming with Anthony, who chose to return to the New York Knicks. Rose was much more aggressive in the Bulls’ pursuit of free agent Pau Gasol, not only asking for his phone number, but giving a hard sell to the big man on joining the Bulls.
So why Gasol and not Anthony?
“[Gasol is] someone that I knew I could play with,’’ Rose said. “You think about Pau, him now being in the East, what he’ll be able to achieve with the way we play, the way we dump the ball in the post a lot. It could be great.’’
As far as tensions with his own organization, Rose didn’t single out one side or the other. At 25 and two knee surgeries reminding him he’s mortal, it’s time to stop pointing fingers.
“This is a new beginning,’’ Rose said several times. “It really is.’’
Despite Rose confirming to the Sun-Times that there has been growing tension, Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf issued a strongly worded statement Thursday night disputing the idea of any problems.
“I am confounded by the irresponsible report in the Chicago Sun-Times suggesting there is anything approaching discord or confusion between the Bulls executive office, coaching staff, and Derrick Rose or any other Bulls player,” Reinsdorf said in the statement. “To the contrary, I can remember no time when the organization has been any more focused, optimistic, and cohesive.”
FINAL STRAW
On July 1, the Bulls opened the city for their recruitment of Anthony. The sales pitch would culminate with a dinner that night. Rose was requested to attend.
It was a perfect plan. Except for the confusion that ensued.
The entire day seemed like an exercise in defiance. Despite an ESPN report that indicated Rose had no knowledge that Anthony was even coming that day, Rose said he knew and had his workout moved from the Berto Center in Deerfield to the United Center.
The team wanted his workout to be a “big production’’ for Anthony, even having the court put down so he could see Rose’s knees were alive and well.
Rose would put on the show, but he wasn’t exactly a willing participant.
“[Rose] wanted nothing to do with it,’’ a source said last week. “They had to beg him just to talk to Anthony after [the workout].’’
Then there was the dinner for Anthony. Expected to attend: key members of the Bulls’ front office, plus Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson. The expectation was Rose also would attend. He supposedly informed them that he wouldn’t, but that evidently was lost in the communication ladder.
“They were irate he wasn’t there,’’ a team source said.
Three days later, ESPN reported that Rose was an innocent bystander during the entire Anthony visit.
“We knew where that story came from,’’ a Bulls source said.
The assumption was that Rose’s camp knew how angry the organization was over his lack of involvement during the Anthony visit, so it went on the offensive before the Bulls could.
This wasn’t the first time the Bulls have had internal questions about the Rose camp and its agenda.
THE ‘CAMP’
Rose has always lived by the motto “Everybody Eats.’’
As one former teammate pointed out recently, ‘‘Everybody’s eating, but there’s only one guy out there busting his [butt].’’
The two most obvious faces in the Rose camp are his brother/manager, Reggie, and his agent, B.J. Armstrong.
Reggie obviously did little to help his brother’s cause on Feb. 21, 2013, by blasting the organization on the night of the trade deadline for its lack of movement. Never mind that Derrick Rose was still nursing a torn anterior cruciate ligament, despite team doctors clearing him to return.
It wasn’t the last time the organization would have problems with Reggie expressing his opinion.
Then there’s Armstrong.
The former Bulls guard worked for the organization under former general manager Jerry Krause. But when vice president of basketball operations John Paxson came in, Armstrong was demoted from assistant GM to a scouting position.
Armstrong was completely out by 2005, reportedly unhappy with Paxson and the Bulls. The fact that Armstrong, who works for the Wasserman Media Group in Los Angeles, became Rose’s agent was an obvious concern for the Bulls.
Armstrong doesn’t do interviews about Rose. Just ask him.
“I don’t do interviews, and what does that word ‘camp’ even mean?’’ Armstrong said when asked about the Rose camp and its relationship with the Bulls.
Asked if there was one spokesman for Rose, Armstrong said: “No one does interviews. No one talks. Derrick speaks to you [media] guys, and that’s it. There’s nothing to discuss. If there is something going on, there’s two people: You can get it from [chairman] Jerry Reinsdorf or you can get it from Derrick Rose. There’s nothing else to talk about.’’
Armstrong was informed of growing concerns by members of the organization concerning Rose and the advice he might be receiving from those around him.
“You’re talking about rumors,” Armstrong said. “I see Jerry 50 times a year. If I ask Jerry Reinsdorf right now how the relationship is, that’s all I care about.’’
‘ICON’ STATUS
Call it maturity, call it watching what LeBron James has done for his hometown team this summer, but Rose now seems poised to take control of his own brand.
During this week of USA Basketball tryouts in Las Vegas, all Rose has spoken about is being a leader — not only for Team USA, which plays its first real intrasquad game Friday, but for the Bulls.
He was admittedly in “a dark place’’ rehabbing from his first knee surgery entering last season, and that’s all behind him. Rose keeps reiterating that he “wants to be an icon.’’
Icons don’t allow the group to lead. Icons lead the group — on and off the court. Rose is finally embracing that concept.
“It seems like everybody has one goal, from the front office all the way down now,’’ Rose said. “It seems like everyone is finally communicating with each other. That’s all we need. You think about all the championship teams, they say that communication and one goal is usually the recipe. You take away all the other [stuff] and just make it simple.
“This is a new beginning for everybody. We’ve got a new practice facility, a new year where I’m coming back, and we have some great talent. It’s time to turn the page and move in a positive direction.’’
Email: jcowley@suntimes.com
BY JOE COWLEY Staff Reporter July 31, 2014 4:36PM
LAS VEGAS *— This relationship wasn’t going to end well.
Not for the Bulls, not for Derrick Rose.
It still might not.
But for the first time in his career, Rose, who has three years left on his contract, seems ready to step up and mend a rocky partnership.
“I know it’s been there,’’ Rose told the Sun-Times, acknowledging there has been growing tension between the organization and his camp. “I heard there were some upset people.
“I’m happy I didn’t personally see it. I don’t want to see that. I kind of wonder where it was coming from because it seemed like whenever I was around, everything was all right. It bothered me because when I wasn’t around, I would hear from certain people that everything wasn’t all right.’’
That’s because things often weren’t all right.
Multiple sources in the organization say tension was mounting because Rose allowed his camp to take shots at the franchise. Gradually, there seemed to be less communication between the Bulls and their biggest star. And tensions hit a peak when Rose, who has a five-year, $94.8 million contract, seemed to want no part in the recruitment of players.
The Bulls’ pursuit of free agent Carmelo Anthony was the latest example.
Looking back, it’s clear Rose wasn’t all that interested in teaming with Anthony, who chose to return to the New York Knicks. Rose was much more aggressive in the Bulls’ pursuit of free agent Pau Gasol, not only asking for his phone number, but giving a hard sell to the big man on joining the Bulls.
So why Gasol and not Anthony?
“[Gasol is] someone that I knew I could play with,’’ Rose said. “You think about Pau, him now being in the East, what he’ll be able to achieve with the way we play, the way we dump the ball in the post a lot. It could be great.’’
As far as tensions with his own organization, Rose didn’t single out one side or the other. At 25 and two knee surgeries reminding him he’s mortal, it’s time to stop pointing fingers.
“This is a new beginning,’’ Rose said several times. “It really is.’’
Despite Rose confirming to the Sun-Times that there has been growing tension, Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf issued a strongly worded statement Thursday night disputing the idea of any problems.
“I am confounded by the irresponsible report in the Chicago Sun-Times suggesting there is anything approaching discord or confusion between the Bulls executive office, coaching staff, and Derrick Rose or any other Bulls player,” Reinsdorf said in the statement. “To the contrary, I can remember no time when the organization has been any more focused, optimistic, and cohesive.”
FINAL STRAW
On July 1, the Bulls opened the city for their recruitment of Anthony. The sales pitch would culminate with a dinner that night. Rose was requested to attend.
It was a perfect plan. Except for the confusion that ensued.
The entire day seemed like an exercise in defiance. Despite an ESPN report that indicated Rose had no knowledge that Anthony was even coming that day, Rose said he knew and had his workout moved from the Berto Center in Deerfield to the United Center.
The team wanted his workout to be a “big production’’ for Anthony, even having the court put down so he could see Rose’s knees were alive and well.
Rose would put on the show, but he wasn’t exactly a willing participant.
“[Rose] wanted nothing to do with it,’’ a source said last week. “They had to beg him just to talk to Anthony after [the workout].’’
Then there was the dinner for Anthony. Expected to attend: key members of the Bulls’ front office, plus Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson. The expectation was Rose also would attend. He supposedly informed them that he wouldn’t, but that evidently was lost in the communication ladder.
“They were irate he wasn’t there,’’ a team source said.
Three days later, ESPN reported that Rose was an innocent bystander during the entire Anthony visit.
“We knew where that story came from,’’ a Bulls source said.
The assumption was that Rose’s camp knew how angry the organization was over his lack of involvement during the Anthony visit, so it went on the offensive before the Bulls could.
This wasn’t the first time the Bulls have had internal questions about the Rose camp and its agenda.
THE ‘CAMP’
Rose has always lived by the motto “Everybody Eats.’’
As one former teammate pointed out recently, ‘‘Everybody’s eating, but there’s only one guy out there busting his [butt].’’
The two most obvious faces in the Rose camp are his brother/manager, Reggie, and his agent, B.J. Armstrong.
Reggie obviously did little to help his brother’s cause on Feb. 21, 2013, by blasting the organization on the night of the trade deadline for its lack of movement. Never mind that Derrick Rose was still nursing a torn anterior cruciate ligament, despite team doctors clearing him to return.
It wasn’t the last time the organization would have problems with Reggie expressing his opinion.
Then there’s Armstrong.
The former Bulls guard worked for the organization under former general manager Jerry Krause. But when vice president of basketball operations John Paxson came in, Armstrong was demoted from assistant GM to a scouting position.
Armstrong was completely out by 2005, reportedly unhappy with Paxson and the Bulls. The fact that Armstrong, who works for the Wasserman Media Group in Los Angeles, became Rose’s agent was an obvious concern for the Bulls.
Armstrong doesn’t do interviews about Rose. Just ask him.
“I don’t do interviews, and what does that word ‘camp’ even mean?’’ Armstrong said when asked about the Rose camp and its relationship with the Bulls.
Asked if there was one spokesman for Rose, Armstrong said: “No one does interviews. No one talks. Derrick speaks to you [media] guys, and that’s it. There’s nothing to discuss. If there is something going on, there’s two people: You can get it from [chairman] Jerry Reinsdorf or you can get it from Derrick Rose. There’s nothing else to talk about.’’
Armstrong was informed of growing concerns by members of the organization concerning Rose and the advice he might be receiving from those around him.
“You’re talking about rumors,” Armstrong said. “I see Jerry 50 times a year. If I ask Jerry Reinsdorf right now how the relationship is, that’s all I care about.’’
‘ICON’ STATUS
Call it maturity, call it watching what LeBron James has done for his hometown team this summer, but Rose now seems poised to take control of his own brand.
During this week of USA Basketball tryouts in Las Vegas, all Rose has spoken about is being a leader — not only for Team USA, which plays its first real intrasquad game Friday, but for the Bulls.
He was admittedly in “a dark place’’ rehabbing from his first knee surgery entering last season, and that’s all behind him. Rose keeps reiterating that he “wants to be an icon.’’
Icons don’t allow the group to lead. Icons lead the group — on and off the court. Rose is finally embracing that concept.
“It seems like everybody has one goal, from the front office all the way down now,’’ Rose said. “It seems like everyone is finally communicating with each other. That’s all we need. You think about all the championship teams, they say that communication and one goal is usually the recipe. You take away all the other [stuff] and just make it simple.
“This is a new beginning for everybody. We’ve got a new practice facility, a new year where I’m coming back, and we have some great talent. It’s time to turn the page and move in a positive direction.’’
Email: jcowley@suntimes.com
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Yeah that was horrific, I bet Larry Bird is pissed off as hell.
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Am I missing something or is this the terminology that goes along with athletes from the ghetto not being able to cut ties with their former gang affiliations?
I swear this is from something I read about former Florida players whose "buddies" from their old gangs expect handouts for life and are scary people to cut off.
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Hated to see that happen to Paul George. Hopefully he makes a complete recovery.
That's one of my biggest fears with having our superstars play in these international competitions. I'm glad Westbrook decided to skip this year's workouts and frankly it wouldn't bother me at all if he and Durant completely pulled out of the Olympics.
Along those lines I wonder what impact this will have on the level of commitment from players going forward. Aside from Westbrook, other players have pulled out from this year's workouts. Plus a lot of owners have publicly voiced their disagreement with their millionaire star players risking injury for exhibition games. Cuban has been one of the more owners on this subject.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if a few of our core players call it quits after seeing this injury to George. Particularly guys who have contracts years coming up in a year or two. Durant and Love are prime examples.
That's one of my biggest fears with having our superstars play in these international competitions. I'm glad Westbrook decided to skip this year's workouts and frankly it wouldn't bother me at all if he and Durant completely pulled out of the Olympics.
Along those lines I wonder what impact this will have on the level of commitment from players going forward. Aside from Westbrook, other players have pulled out from this year's workouts. Plus a lot of owners have publicly voiced their disagreement with their millionaire star players risking injury for exhibition games. Cuban has been one of the more owners on this subject.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if a few of our core players call it quits after seeing this injury to George. Particularly guys who have contracts years coming up in a year or two. Durant and Love are prime examples.
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