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Sooner or later we will lose a game because of Maher. We hit that fieldgoal at the end of the half and then go for the TD at the end of regulation to tie rather than still need another score. Who knows. Don't give the guy a pass just because he wasn't the biggest problem. He was a serious problem and not one we weren't already worried about.
There is no excuse to not even look at some kickers. At least see what the other options out there look like.
 

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There is no excuse to not even look at some kickers. At least see what the other options out there look like.
Cant find the tweet now but Archer replied to some people complaining about Maher. The tweet gave Mahers FG % and then listed the people available and the way it read gave the impression that Archer didnt think any were worthwhile despite the fact that two of them had higher percentages.

Why improve?
 

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Cant find the tweet now but Archer replied to some people complaining about Maher. The tweet gave Mahers FG % and then listed the people available and the way it read gave the impression that Archer didnt think any were worthwhile despite the fact that two of them had higher percentages.

Why improve?
Yeah I saw that too. I was thinking the same thing. Those guys hit at a higher percent, how are they not better? I'm not asking for elite but there are at least competent options out there.
 

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Cant find the tweet now but Archer replied to some people complaining about Maher. The tweet gave Mahers FG % and then listed the people available and the way it read gave the impression that Archer didnt think any were worthwhile despite the fact that two of them had higher percentages.

Why improve?
The easy thing to say is the Cowboys need to cut Brett Maher, who has missed six field goal attempts in his last 12 games over the last two seasons, including two vs. Green Bay. But who’s out there? Last week New England worked out five kickers before signing Mike Nugent, including Kai Forbath, Blair Walsh, Elliott Fry and Matthew Wright. Forbath has made 83.7% of his field goal tries the last two seasons. Walsh has made 73%. Maher has made 76.7% the last two seasons.



Todd Archer, ESPN Staff Writer2d ago

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Forbath was in our camp once upon a time.
 

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This is completely retarded. Missed FGs are not only missed points, but momentum killers. The other team comes off the field fired up that no points were given up, and ours comes off dejected that they put together a scoring drive, but came away with nothing.

To think trying to secure a good kicker is 'band-aid stuff' is moronic.
I was trying to make a larger point about deeper problems -- coaching deficiencies and ownership incompetence. They've been there for 20 years. You don't fix what was wrong in the Green Bay game -- and all the other failures over that time, by getting a better kicker.

Green Bay rode roughshod over Dallas. A missed field goal, or a kicker who can't it done wouldn't have changed that.
 

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I was trying to make a larger point about deeper problems -- coaching deficiencies and ownership incompetence. They've been there for 20 years. You don't fix what was wrong in the Green Bay game -- and all the other failures over that time, by getting a better kicker.

Green Bay rode roughshod over Dallas. A missed field goal, or a kicker who can't it done wouldn't have changed that.
but you will never fix the ownership problem either. coaching might be a different story, lots of folks might just get their wish if these performances continue
 

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but you will never fix the ownership problem either. coaching might be a different story, lots of folks might just get their wish if these performances continue
You fix what you can and live with what you can't change. You can't fix Jerry but you sure as shit can fix the kicker problem. I guess some would rather just give up and bury their head in the sand until Jerry dies. Can't blame them but I'd rather try to fix the problems that are fixable.
 
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but you will never fix the ownership problem either. coaching might be a different story, lots of folks might just get their wish if these performances continue
Right. The ownership problem is a like a chronic, incurable disease. The organization is the patient, and the patient has been suffering the ill-effects of the disease, the symptoms, for over 20 years. Doctors have tried everything. Nothing works.

A crappy kicker is just one of many symptoms of the disease, the same kinds of symptoms that have shown up every year for 23 years. A new kicker may win a game or two here and there, but pretending that the new kicker will have any effect on the underlying disease is pointless -- and stupid.
 

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You fix what you can and live with what you can't change. You can't fix Jerry but you sure as shit can fix the kicker problem. I guess some would rather just give up and bury their head in the sand until Jerry dies. Can't blame them but I'd rather try to fix the problems that are fixable.
But here's the problem: You can't fix anything.
 

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Right. The ownership problem is a like a chronic, incurable disease. The organization is the patient, and the patient has been suffering the ill-effects of the disease, the symptoms, for over 20 years. Doctors have tried everything. Nothing works.

A crappy kicker is just one of many symptoms of the disease, the same kinds of symptoms that have shown up every year for 23 years. A new kicker may win a game or two here and there, but pretending that the new kicker will have any effect on the underlying disease is pointless -- and stupid.
Have you been to Cowboys Fan Rebellion...there's a movement in progress to put a billboard by Texas Stadium to "Fire GM Jerry Jones". Might even be a podcast.

Iamtdg What's the latest?
 

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Have you been to Cowboys Fan Rebellion...there's a movement in progress to put a billboard by Texas Stadium to "Fire GM Jerry Jones". Might even be a podcast.

Iamtdg What's the latest?
I forgot to pay the hosting for that site and it went down. RIP
 

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I'm sorry, I just see people picking at the margins, around the edges. "We need a new kicker, a 'stud' DT, a different DC, a new coach, an edge rusher" and on and on.

You can't be loaded at every position, and reportedly this team was pretty stacked going in. How many more "studs" do you need at how many more positions before someone realizes that's not the problem?

Coaches? Okay. But there's always a messiah HC out there who will come in and somehow carry the team to the promised land. Hasn't happened for the past quarter-century.

Garrett is a toad and a loser, and Marinelli should be riding on a golf cart in a retirement village somewhere. But they're just temporary symptoms of a chronic disease. The disease is the owner who keeps those coaches there, and will hire the next symptoms -- if it ever comes to that.

If the patient is suffering from chronic internal bleeding, the answer isn't a band aid.
 

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I'm sorry, I just see people picking at the margins, around the edges. "We need a new kicker, a 'stud' DT, a different DC, a new coach, an edge rusher" and on and on.

You can't be loaded at every position, and reportedly this team was pretty stacked going in. How many more "studs" do you need at how many more positions before someone realizes that's not the problem?

Coaches? Okay. But there's always a messiah HC out there who will come in and somehow carry the team to the promised land. Hasn't happened for the past quarter-century.

Garrett is a toad and a loser, and Marinelli should be riding on a golf cart in a retirement village somewhere. But they're just temporary symptoms of a chronic disease. The disease is the owner who keeps those coaches there, and will hire the next symptoms -- if it ever comes to that.

If the patient is suffering from chronic internal bleeding, the answer isn't a band aid.
You do know that there isn't anything we can do about the owner, right?

The only thing is we can discuss the issues with the team. I will let you in on a little secret, though. You arent saying anything that hasnt been said here before. We all know Jerry is the problem but what are you going to do? He isnt going anywhere so you can either live in a pit of hate or try to make the best of what you do have. Here at the DCC we have moved on to accepting that Jerry isn't going anywhere. Neither is his son. Garrett will move up into the front office as well. Its just what we have.
 

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People on this board have literally been wishing for Jerry Jones to die for almost 20 years.
 
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Right. The ownership problem is a like a chronic, incurable disease. The organization is the patient, and the patient has been suffering the ill-effects of the disease, the symptoms, for over 20 years. Doctors have tried everything. Nothing works.

A crappy kicker is just one of many symptoms of the disease, the same kinds of symptoms that have shown up every year for 23 years. A new kicker may win a game or two here and there, but pretending that the new kicker will have any effect on the underlying disease is pointless -- and stupid.
I'd hate to be your cancer patient. Oh you have severe pain to go with your illness, no reason to treat the symptom you're going to die anyway. If we can't cure the cancer I don't care how long you live or how painful those years are.
 
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You do know that there isn't anything we can do about the owner, right?

The only thing is we can discuss the issues with the team. I will let you in on a little secret, though. You arent saying anything that hasnt been said here before. We all know Jerry is the problem but what are you going to do? He isnt going anywhere so you can either live in a pit of hate or try to make the best of what you do have. Here at the DCC we have moved on to accepting that Jerry isn't going anywhere. Neither is his son. Garrett will move up into the front office as well. Its just what we have.
Is that a little bit like an abusive family? Dad keeps beating mom but we kids pretend we don't see it. Just try to make the best of it. Maybe that's an exaggeration. But the effect is the same. We know Jerry will never produce a winning organization, but we can fantasize and pretend, or ignore reality, and engage in our own group therapy sessions.
 

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I'd hate to be your cancer patient. Oh you have severe pain to go with your illness, no reason to treat the symptom you're going to die anyway. If we can't cure the cancer I don't care how long you live or how painful those years are.
The analogy is misplaced. I purposely did not use cancer as part of the metaphor -- from very painful personal experience. I referenced a chronic, incurable disease. I never said 'terminal.' With Jerry, it's not terminal. No end point. Just prolonged suffering.
 

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Is that a little bit like an abusive family? Dad keeps beating mom but we kids pretend we don't see it. Just try to make the best of it. Maybe that's an exaggeration. But the effect is the same. We know Jerry will never produce a winning organization, but we can fantasize and pretend, or ignore reality, and engage in our own group therapy sessions.
This is a message board is it not?

Again. You arent telling us anything that we dont already know. We just choose not wallow in misery.
 

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This is a message board is it not?

Again. You arent telling us anything that we dont already know. We just choose not wallow in misery.
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i hear you. It so pointless to come around every whip stitch and lament about Jones and all the woes he brings to the Cowboys table. It is his team and he has been stuck in low gear for about 18 to 20 years but it doesn’t change anything to call him names and repeat the same hate Jerry dialogue. But as was stated it is a message board and no doubt the beat will go on.
 

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Jerry does suck, no doubt about it. But they have, by skill or dumb luck, assembled a very talented team. And a good coach would get much better results out of them. Jerry isn't the one repeatedly botching clock management, settling for 52 yard windy field goals at the end of games, freezing his own kicker, or otherwise misusing the talent we do have on game days.

That's why I'm not on the "Nothing matters as long as Jerry is the owner" wagon.
 

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You do know that there isn't anything we can do about the owner, right?

The only thing is we can discuss the issues with the team. I will let you in on a little secret, though. You arent saying anything that hasnt been said here before. We all know Jerry is the problem but what are you going to do? He isnt going anywhere so you can either live in a pit of hate or try to make the best of what you do have. Here at the DCC we have moved on to accepting that Jerry isn't going anywhere. Neither is his son. Garrett will move up into the front office as well. Its just what we have.
I'm stuck in a pit of hate
 

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Crawl out. It's not a fun place to be.
impossible as it relates to the Cowboys, jones and spawn have ruined the only team I ever cared about.

At this point I'm like an addict that just cant seem to walk away even though I know deep down they're dead and gone. Save the why do you watch speech, I barely do these days and thats dwindling more and more. I mainly limit my involvement as a fan to being the cheery presence you get to experience from my participation on Cowboy forums

I'm happy as a clam in the rest of my life
 

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impossible as it relates to the Cowboys, jones and spawn have ruined the only team I ever cared about.

At this point I'm like an addict that just cant seem to walk away even though I know deep down they're dead and gone. Save the why do you watch speech, I barely do these days and thats dwindling more and more. I mainly limit my involvement as a fan to being the cheery presence you get to experience from my participation on Cowboy forums

I'm happy as a clam in the rest of my life
You have crawled out and didn't know it. Congratulations!
 

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But here's the problem: You can't fix anything.
You can start a boycott of all Cowboys merchandise, evangelize it to others and hit Jerruh in the pocketbooks until he changes.

Burn any and all Cowboys stuff you now own and post it on YouTube.

When we started the rebellion, the Cowboys were #1 most valuable franchise. They still are, but the gap has closed with #2. Its working.

It has to start somewhere.
 
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We just choose not wallow in misery.


Uhh... Have you ever read the game thread? Every week, that thing is the definition of wallowing in misery. Win or lose.
 

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Jerry does suck, no doubt about it. But they have, by skill or dumb luck, assembled a very talented team. And a good coach would get much better results out of them. Jerry isn't the one repeatedly botching clock management, settling for 52 yard windy field goals at the end of games, freezing his own kicker, or otherwise misusing the talent we do have on game days.

That's why I'm not on the "Nothing matters as long as Jerry is the owner" wagon.
Correct.
 

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The analogy is misplaced. I purposely did not use cancer as part of the metaphor -- from very painful personal experience. I referenced a chronic, incurable disease. I never said 'terminal.' With Jerry, it's not terminal. No end point. Just prolonged suffering.
Your analogy is on point though. It just leads to the conclusion that you don't like. Which is that you always fix what you can even if you're stuck with the biggest issue.
 

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Uhh... Have you ever read the game thread? Every week, that thing is the definition of wallowing in misery. Win or lose.
Well I was talking about Jerry hate specifically. It has seemed to have called down compared to what it was.

game day chatter is a different monster on its own. It's usually fueled by alcohol and then Smitty walks in with a Garrett is King post. Downhill from there.
 

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Well I was talking about Jerry hate specifically. It has seemed to have called down compared to what it was.
I think we are all just numb to it now.
 
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