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I'd rank Dak somewhere in the 8-10 range for top NFL QBs.

QBs who I think are CURRENTLY better than Dak (in no particular order):
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Carson Wentz

QBs who I think are toss ups compared to Dak:
Tom Brady
Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Deshaun Watson
 
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I'd rank Dak somewhere in the 8-10 range for top NFL QBs.

QBs who I think are CURRENTLY better than Dak (in no particular order):
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Carson Wentz

QBs who I think are toss ups compared to Dak:
Tom Brady
Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Yeah I'd cross Matt Ryan off and Wentz for sure. Lamar Jackson too. I remember too well how Collin Kaepernick looked in that offense at first. Rodgers is up there but not last years version. Every year prior yes.
 

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I'd rank Dak somewhere in the 8-10 range for top NFL QBs.

QBs who I think are CURRENTLY better than Dak (in no particular order):
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Carson Wentz

QBs who I think are toss ups compared to Dak:
Tom Brady
Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Forgot Watson?
 

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Yeah I'd cross Matt Ryan off and Wentz for sure. Lamar Jackson too. I remember too well how Collin Kaepernick looked in that offense at first. Rodgers is up there but not last years version. Every year prior yes.
Even Aaron Rodgers would be a tossup to me.
 

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Yeah I'd cross Matt Ryan off and Wentz for sure. Lamar Jackson too. I remember too well how Collin Kaepernick looked in that offense at first. Rodgers is up there but not last years version. Every year prior yes.
You'd cross off the league MVP?
 

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Lamar? Yeah

Maybe if he proves it is sustainable. His running ability is Michael Vick special but his passing isn't there yet at all.Defenses catch up. Shit wasn't Newton an MVP once and he still can't throw for shit.
The one thing that does give me pause with Lamar is his playoff performances have been very erratic.

Rookie year I give him a bit of a pass because he was a rookie. Last year however, the Titans were able to force him to beat them with his arm and he struggled to consistently move the offense until later in the game.]
 

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The one thing that does give me pause with Lamar is his playoff performances have been very erratic.

Rookie year I give him a bit of a pass because he was a rookie. Last year however, the Titans were able to force him to beat them with his arm and he struggled to consistently move the offense until later in the game.]
He is a special runner, no question about it. But when you take that out of his game and the defense can focus on the pass its ugly.
 

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I think for most its the offense that he runs. Will be interesting to see when teams take a lot of the running away.
Agree with you there. But for the most part the Ravens have done an excellent job catering the offense to his strengths. They even added a couple more weapons (Duvernay & Dobbins) to an already impressive group of skill position players. They're one of the few teams in the league who's skill position players are better than the Cowboys.
 

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Clearly Better: Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Brady

Caveats here are that Brees and Brady could be done at any moment and there is a decent chance that Rodgers is declining while Prescott is ascending, for now he's still better but I wouldn't be shocked if this time next year the "clearly better" list was just Mahomes and Wilson. There's an argument that Prescott has passed Brady but for now I'll still include him and write off last year as a function of a lack of offensive talent combined with Brady/Belichick both pretty much knowing it was over.

Same Tier: Watson, Ryan, Jackson, Wentz, Goff

Personally, I'd take Prescott over all of them except Watson, with Watson being a pure toss up for me. Most of the time the perception of any of these guys vs. Prescott is likely a function of recency bias, one way or the other.

Close but a Tier Below: Cousins, Stafford, Garropolo

Ultimately I think Prescott is solidly in that 5-10 range and where he sits exactly is subjective and mostly just a matter of "what have you done for me lately". It's a stretch to say Prescott is clearly top 5, although one could argue he might be on that 4/5 fringe based on projecting improvement, the age of Brady/Brees, etc.

I also think that Jackson is a guy who has a long way to go as a passer and right now the majority of his success is built off how dominant their running game was and how creatively Roman schemed up throws for him based off that threat and play-action. I'm putting him in that tier out of respect for winning the MVP but if he doesn't improve significantly as a passer, and become able to win consistently with his arm without a completely dominant running game, the guy won't be a high-level starter in 3 years.
 

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Agree with you there. But for the most part the Ravens have done an excellent job catering the offense to his strengths. They even added a couple more weapons (Duvernay & Dobbins) to an already impressive group of skill position players. They're one of the few teams in the league who's skill position players are better than the Cowboys.
Dude, no. Last I checked WR was a seriously important position. Tap the brakes on Duverney as he is completely unproven. Cooper, Gallup, and Lamb just shatter Baltimore's group

Ingram (and Dobbins) is good. But who knows how much gas Ingram has left in the tank?

Lamar Jackson is the biggest reason why everything works. That guy is a fucking beast. He paralyzes defenses because they don't know if he's going to run or pass. And when he runs, he embarrasses you-- that adds even more pressure to defenders who don't want to end up looking like Tony Casillas against Barry Sanders.

And that eventually will lead to problems for Baltimore. He's superhuman, but who knows what he'd do with an actual cast of WR's.

You can go far, but when you look at what makes Mahomes so dangerous is how he utilizes his receivers, not how he utilizes himself.
 

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Regardless of how you feel about Dak, I think we can all agree that Mahomes is the best QB in the league right now.
 

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Agree with you there. But for the most part the Ravens have done an excellent job catering the offense to his strengths. They even added a couple more weapons (Duvernay & Dobbins) to an already impressive group of skill position players. They're one of the few teams in the league who's skill position players are better than the Cowboys.


The Chiefs are the only team in the league with better skill position players, and that's only because of Mahomes. Take out Mahomes and it's a pure toss up, and I think I'd even lean Cowboys.
 

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I also think that Jackson is a guy who has a long way to go as a passer and right now the majority of his success is built off how dominant their running game was and how creatively Roman schemed up throws for him based off that threat and play-action. I'm putting him in that tier out of respect for winning the MVP but if he doesn't improve significantly as a passer, and become able to win consistently with his arm without a completely dominant running game, the guy won't be a high-level starter in 3 years.
And Brady's good coaching doesn't count because...?

Jackson did complete 66%, almost a 9% TD ratio, 36 TDs over 6 INTS (1.5% INT ratio). 113 QB Rating. Are you claiming those stats are bullshit :)

Oh yeah, and 1206 rushing yards and 7 more TDs. That's... insane.

Just poking the bear. I agree he needs to use his WRs more, regardless of what the stupid stats say.

And if improved talent at WR makes him better we'll have a player the likes of which no one has ever seen. Randall Cunningham may have come closest.
 

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The Chiefs are the only team in the league with better skill position players, and that's only because of Mahomes. Take out Mahomes and it's a pure toss up, and I think I'd even lean Cowboys.
Hill and Kelce crush our best. Watkins and Gallup are a wash. Zeke gives us the edge (well, at least 2016 Zeke does...)

When you count QB's too, well Mahomes definitely beats Dak by a huge margin. Just so much more of a creative passer with half the OL Dak has. Nothing to be ashamed of, Mahomes is better than everyone.

But clearly you take Jackson over Dak ten times out of ten also. Can you imagine what he (or Mahomes) might do with Dallas' skill players around him?
 

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