Genghis Khan
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If you can't win with Richie Anderson and Dan Campbell, you can't win with anybody.
Cowboys Trade for QB Trey Lance
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If you can't win with Richie Anderson and Dan Campbell, you can't win with anybody.
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I sure hope so. We just gave up a damn fourth that could have been used on a developmental QB.
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That's the unfortunate part of this also. The sunk cost will prevent us from investing in someone who might actually develop into something.
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Again, this is a role of the dice comparable to an investment in like, Stephen McGee. Except we got a way more talented player.
“A Qb every year,” is the motto but then we take one and people don’t like it? We aren’t handing the reigns to Lance right now. He may never be much more ready to start in an NFL offense than Stephen McGee.
But his odds are way, way better than your average fourth round QB.
If you think this is “throwing away assets,” then you are saying you basically don’t ever want to spend a fourth round pick on a draft QB.
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The only way it'd be unfortunate is if we end up sucking and are in range of someone like Maye and sit on our hands.
Otherwise, if we have another 11-12 win year and are picking in the 20's it won't mean shit because the odds of finding a QB after the 1st are astronomically low and chances are we'd just be lighting a 2nd or 3rd rounder on fire instead of a 4th.
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Yea the chances of finding a QB who can actually play in the 2nd-4th are extremely slim, I'd rather roll the dice on Lance with a 4th than go with what's available in any random draft in the 2nd-4th.
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I'm not talking about 1st rounders. I'd just rather use a 4th on a guy who we don't know about yet then a guy who probably is what he is.
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I'll be honest, I've barely watched Lance play. I pulled this up to see what he had.
I just don't see it. At all. This guy looks like a late round 3rd stringer. Most of his "best plays" are runs. and the runs aren't even impressive. He has a loopy throwing motion that starts with the ball around his waist. His passes are not accurate. Even when he scrambles or on the RPO look when receivers are wide open, they often have to reach for the ball.
I'd almost guarantee this is Jerry's pick on the "we liked him in the draft" theory, not based on a single thing they saw in his NFL snaps. Contrast a prototypical size/speed type guy like this to the guy we know McCarthy liked, O'Connell, who is a non-athletic, accurate, traditional pocket passer.
I just don't see it. At all. This guy looks like a late round 3rd stringer. Most of his "best plays" are runs. and the runs aren't even impressive. He has a loopy throwing motion that starts with the ball around his waist. His passes are not accurate. Even when he scrambles or on the RPO look when receivers are wide open, they often have to reach for the ball.
I'd almost guarantee this is Jerry's pick on the "we liked him in the draft" theory, not based on a single thing they saw in his NFL snaps. Contrast a prototypical size/speed type guy like this to the guy we know McCarthy liked, O'Connell, who is a non-athletic, accurate, traditional pocket passer.
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They always pull this shit. Either so and so was high up on their board (meaning they got a bargain) or other teams were after him, forcing them to act. No sale.
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Maybe but I don't see how anybody can say they know what Lance is, that was my point when I said he was basically the least experienced QB to ever go top 10 and he's barely had much of a chance to develop in the NFL.
Remember that the 49ers went into last season with him as the starter, it's not like he's been completely buried on the depth chart for two years, if he doesn't pop the ACL who knows where he's at?
He's barely played at all and the 49ers stumbled onto a guy who they think is a franchise QB. They probably didn't want the neverending story of their former top 3 pick sitting on the bench behind him all year and opted to move the guy who had trade value while keeping the guy (Darnold) who everybody knows is your standard silent backup QB.
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My recollection is that he has a shocking lack of passing attempts, even going back to high school.
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But this is a guy we don’t know about. He was super raw in college, was overdrafted, and basically has had no development since. He’s still the same player he was as like a sophomore.
It’s not a good sign that it’s three years later and he’s the same player, but, he’s also loaded with raw talent that can’t be found in your average fourth rounder.
You see if you can restart the development process. I wouldn’t say it’s worse odds than taking a guy with average fourth round talent. Both need to be heavily developed. Knowing that the talent is there gives you at least a little head start.
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Right around 500 passes. It is really staggering.
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That's a negative, not a positive.
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I think we do. It's not like we haven't seen him at all. This is his third season, and in preseason (ie. not against the best competition for the most part) he still looks mediocre at best.
Exactly my point.