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Absolutely nope.Nope.
Absolutely nope.Nope.
I would say from 1991-1998 or so.Which years are you referring to?
Again, it is inaccurate to refer to Emmitt's dominant lines as if they performed to one elite standard his entire career.
Yes, I agree.Smitty is insinuating that Romo is an All-Timer at QB because our OL is horrific.
Imagine if Romo had an above average OL.
You were like 8 in 1991.I would say from 1991-1998 or so.
Troy was awful as soon as his protection stopped being elite. He couldn't have numbers above the Mendoza line with any of Tony's lines. He couldn't average more than 12 games a year either because of concussions.I wouldn't say that. Two completely different sets of circumstances. Consider if the two guys switched spots.
I think if Troy was asked to wing it, he could have lit up the stat sheet. I'm not so sure Romo could have played as well as Troy did in the precision, controlled way he was asked to. And been nearly as surgical as Aikman was.
Bullshit, 96, 97, and 98 those lines were barely above average. Nate ballooned up to 400 pounds, Erik Williams was never the same after the car wreck and Tuinei just flat out got old. There was one great player on those lines, period.I would say from 1991-1998 or so.
Yep. That and back problems. Somehow people have forgotten that Aikman took a beating his last three years. I was there so I remember it well. His glory days were gone after 96.Troy was awful as soon as his protection stopped being elite. He couldn't have numbers above the Mendoza line with any of Tony's lines. He couldn't average more than 12 games a year either because of concussions.
I would say from 1991-1998 or so.
Correct.Bullshit, 96, 97, and 98 those lines were barely above average. Nate ballooned up to 400 pounds, Erik Williams was never the same after the car wreck and Tuinei just flat out got old. There was one great player on those lines, period.
It's not "correct," -- by 1998 they may no longer have been All Timer great but they were still among the best in the league.Correct.
It's not "correct," -- by 1998 they may no longer have been All Timer great but they were still among the best in the league.
His monster years with 1700 yards etc. were with the line that will be profiled.Started multiple games between 96-98:
George Hegamin, John Flannery, Clay Shiver, Flozell Adams.
Ray Donaldson was 38 or so. Tuinei was over 36. Newton was in his upper 30s. And as Clay said, Eric Williams was a shell of his former self after the accident.
Clay Shiver started 2 seasons at center during that stretch. Hegamin started games at left tackle. Left. Tackle.
"among the best in the league."
Yup.His monster years with 1700 yards etc. were with the line that will be profiled.
Here are Emmitt's totals after the line started falling apart...
1996 - 1204 - Tuinei, Newton, Donaldson, Allen, Williams
1997 - 1074 - Hegamin, Newton, Shiver, Allen, Williams
1998 - 1332 - Allen, Newton, Shiver, Adams, Williams
His best year in that era was 1999 when he had 1397 with Allen, Newton, Stepnoski, McIver, Williams.
2000 - 1203 - Adams, Allen, Stepnoski, Page, Williams
2001 - 1021 - Adams, Allen, Stepnoski, Garmon, Page
2002 - 975 - Adams, Tucker, Walter, Gurode, Page
Was he great? Sure. But to pretend he was beyond great and thinking he had just horrible lines late in his career is disingenuous.
With the exception of the couple of Clay Shiver years, I think most of us would take those lines and probably have a 1000-1200 yard back.
His monster years with 1700 yards etc. were with the line that will be profiled.
Here are Emmitt's totals after the line started falling apart...
1996 - 1204 - Tuinei, Newton, Donaldson, Allen, Williams
1997 - 1074 - Hegamin, Newton, Shiver, Allen, Williams
1998 - 1332 - Allen, Newton, Shiver, Adams, Williams
His best year in that era was 1999 when he had 1397 with Allen, Newton, Stepnoski, McIver, Williams.
2000 - 1203 - Adams, Allen, Stepnoski, Page, Williams
2001 - 1021 - Adams, Allen, Stepnoski, Garmon, Page
2002 - 975 - Adams, Tucker, Walter, Gurode, Page
Was he great? Sure. But to pretend he was beyond great and thinking he had just horrible lines late in his career is disingenuous.
With the exception of the couple of Clay Shiver years, I think most of us would take those lines and probably have a 1000-1200 yard back.
You are wrong about Williams. After the injury he was getting by on guile and nastiness. I remember it well. He would smack guys around and hold and grab frequently.Also, Williams was a "shell" of his former self in the sense that he was every bit as good or better than Larry Allen -- the best offensive lineman of the 90s -- before his injury, and that after the injury, he was merely a Pro Bowler. The guy was still an All Pro in 1995 and 1996.
Not Pro Bowler. All Pro.
Shiver was by far the biggest weak link on that line but Newton and Tuinei remained very solid players. Still one of the better lines in the league right up until around 2000 I'd say. By 2002 the line was garbage as Larry Allen was no longer great, just good, and the only other solid player on the line was Adams.
RacistMcIver? Solomon Page? Hegamin? Come on. These guys were n
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