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Not sure where Nick Harris gets that the coaches want to be back and will wait around for Jerry to make up his mind. That doesn't sound like most coaches to me. Most coaches want to know they have a job and will be looking for something as soon as the season is over. Kind of like Zimmer back when Parcells was deciding what to do... He had to do what he had to do, and got the job in Atlanta.
 

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Not sure where Nick Harris gets that the coaches want to be back and will wait around for Jerry to make up his mind. That doesn't sound like most coaches to me. Most coaches want to know they have a job and will be looking for something as soon as the season is over. Kind of like Zimmer back when Parcells was deciding what to do... He had to do what he had to do, and got the job in Atlanta.
Yep, not like these are top candidates with the luxury of picking the perfect job. I bet our secondary coaches goes right away. Al Harris won't be waiting.
 

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And I'm sure they will drag their heels as much as possible because it makes them feel like big smart men. Probably won't fully get a resolution on McCarthy until next weekend, while about 5 other teams will have already interviewed at least 2-3 candidates.

But none of that really matters when you already know that you have Kellen Moore in the bag if you so choose.
 

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And I'm sure they will drag their heels as much as possible because it makes them feel like big smart men. Probably won't fully get a resolution on McCarthy until next weekend, while about 5 other teams will have already interviewed at least 2-3 candidates.

But none of that really matters when you already know that you have Kellen Moore in the bag if you so choose.
We will drag our feet. And then suddenly McCarthy is going to look like the best option left. And as long as no one else wants him McCarthy will be back in Dallas. If someone else wants him we will end up with a retread like Kellen Moore or Zimmer as head coach. Given the lack of excitement by our fan base you'd think Jerry would want to make a splash at coach (Since he won't in free agency, and it doesn't come out of the "pie"). But the reality is that our front office is cheap as hell and our lack of spending has nothing to do with pie. They are cheap and Stephen views every extra million spent on a coach as a million less he gets in inheritance. He can't see the forest through the trees, in that if we continue much further down this path attendance and engagement is going to start to drop. They will go with comfortable and bank on a bounce back season keeping fans around.
 

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Since this is the random thread... How are we not totally screwed next year? Tons of free agents-to-be. We won't use free agency except to overpay our own guys. We have a decently high draft pick in each round, but there aren't enough picks to fill all the holes. Jerry flushed our fourth rounder down the toilet for the second year in a row. Diggs' knee is shot and he may be done for good.

And that's besides the coaching issue. We have no idea who Jerry wants or will make the effort to hire.

I'm not usually the doomer type but I don't see how we even have a chance. Is there something I'm missing?
 

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Since this is the random thread... How are we not totally screwed next year? Tons of free agents-to-be. We won't use free agency except to overpay our own guys. We have a decently high draft pick in each round, but there aren't enough picks to fill all the holes. Jerry flushed our fourth rounder down the toilet for the second year in a row. Diggs' knee is shot and he may be done for good.

And that's besides the coaching issue. We have no idea who Jerry wants or will make the effort to hire.

I'm not usually the doomer type but I don't see how we even have a chance. Is there something I'm missing?
Depends on what you mean by "have a chance".

If we strengthen RB and bring back most of our internal FA's I think we're a good bet for at least 10 wins, we damn near got to 10 this year with everything being a complete shitshow and a million injuries.

Will we have a chance to go deep in the playoffs?

On paper, probably, but given recent history I think you can comfortably say no.
 

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Since this is the random thread... How are we not totally screwed next year? Tons of free agents-to-be. We won't use free agency except to overpay our own guys. We have a decently high draft pick in each round, but there aren't enough picks to fill all the holes. Jerry flushed our fourth rounder down the toilet for the second year in a row. Diggs' knee is shot and he may be done for good.

And that's besides the coaching issue. We have no idea who Jerry wants or will make the effort to hire.

I'm not usually the doomer type but I don't see how we even have a chance. Is there something I'm missing?
I mean I wouldn't go that far. But injuries are a problem. Guys like Diggs and Overshown not being ready for the start of the season really hurt us. Obviously we saw that Zimmer can piece together a solid defense with lots of meh players. He can make do with a guy like Vigil if he has to for example. Or Golston playing DE. Or Oruwariye if he has to at corner. So I'm not so freaked out about a "hole" on defense. I just want to get some more play makers.

And offense we have some really good young lineman. We have Dak and Lamb and Ferg. As long as we get a RB and maybe another play maker at WR, I think the offense will return to form.
 

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But you guys aren't buying Jerry's line that it's all returning to health, right?

I mean, even if we get back to a healthy last-year level -- and we won't even do that with Overshown and Diggs out -- that's still a step down from the three 12-5 years. We still won't have replaced all the contributors we lost before the 2024 season even started.

As for young players, I feel fine about the OL and Loofa and that's about it.

@Simpleton At least ten wins? We're going to win seven this year. I don't see three or four more next year just from, what, Dak being healthy? He's generally declining physically anyway.

And @Cowboysrock55 , those holes are why we can't come close to beating good teams. They're going to make you pay for those scrubs at corner and not being able to stop the run. Plus, we don't even know who the DC will be. I personally don't think the coaches are coming back.

Like Simp said, it's frustrating to not be able to figure out the draft until we know who our DC will be and what he will run.
 

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But you guys aren't buying Jerry's line that it's all returning to health, right?

I mean, even if we get back to a healthy last-year level -- and we won't even do that with Overshown and Diggs out -- that's still a step down from the three 12-5 years. We still won't have replaced all the contributors we lost before the 2024 season even started.

As for young players, I feel fine about the OL and Loofa and that's about it.

@Simpleton At least ten wins? We're going to win seven this year. I don't see three or four more next year just from, what, Dak being healthy? He's generally declining physically anyway.

And @Cowboysrock55 , those holes are why we can't come close to beating good teams. They're going to make you pay for those scrubs at corner and not being able to stop the run. Plus, we don't even know who the DC will be. I personally don't think the coaches are coming back.

Like Simp said, it's frustrating to not be able to figure out the draft until we know who our DC will be and what he will run.
If we had Dak all season I think we'd be at least 9-7 right now, so yea I think if he's back for a full year and the defense is somewhat competent as they were over the last two months (as opposed to the first 6-8 games) then we're a pretty good bet for at least 10 wins. Remember that the defense was literally unable to get a single stop in several games over the first half of the year, there's no reason to think they'll be that bad again unless they just let everybody leave without replacing them because they're cheap assholes.

We might not be quite as good in a 1:1 comparison as the 2022 or 2023 teams but I don't think the roster will be that far off. They'll have to mix and match if guys like Diggs and Overshown truly are out most or all of 2025, but other than that I think the rosters will be relatively similar.

If we add a blue chip RB like Jeanty and he translates the way I think he will we might even be better compared to 2022 and 2023 when we were running a combo of Pollard/Elliott.
 

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If we add a blue chip RB like Jeanty
No one is going to let this happen. Not with us drafting 13th.

I recall how Robinson went 8th and Gibbs 12th. We can still get a premiere RB in rounds 1 or 2, but I doubt we get a guy who barely missed breaking Sanders' single season record.
 

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And @Cowboysrock55 , those holes are why we can't come close to beating good teams. They're going to make you pay for those scrubs at corner and not being able to stop the run. Plus, we don't even know who the DC will be. I personally don't think the coaches are coming back.
I think it's less about the holes and more about the lack of studs. If that makes any sense. We need guys like Overshown, Bland and Diggs out there making plays. Which we basically never had this season and we won't have to start next year. On offense our second best weapon this season was Dowdle. The blocking was fine. Think about it, he is a runner who averaged 4.7 yards per carry and went over 1000 yards. We can all agree he is just "so so" which tells you. You don't have to have great players everywhere. You just can't march out absolute turds like Zeke.

But our offense is Lamb and no one really else. I expect a bit of a bounce back for Ferg. I think he struggled with injuries all season long. But when you're playing an elite team. You need more play makers than just Lamb. Maybe that's Jeanty at RB. Maybe thats McMillian at WR. Hell maybe it's even Tyler Warren at TE (No this isn't the direction I want to go). But you need more than one weapon to beat an elite defense. You need a running game to take pressure off the passing game.

Defense is sort of the same way. You need at least Golston level guys everywhere that can at least do their job. That should be the bottom level of every position. Then you need as many elite guys as you can like Parsons or Bland or what Overshown was before the injury.
 

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No one is going to let this happen. Not with us drafting 13th.

I recall how Robinson went 8th and Gibbs 12th. We can still get a premiere RB in rounds 1 or 2, but I doubt we get a guy who barely missed breaking Sanders' single season record.
It doesn't have to just be Jeanty, I could see a duo of Hampton/Johnson and Dowdle being a big upgrade over what we had in 2022 and 2023.

Although I do think there's a way better chance that Jeanty falls than you're expecting, there aren't many teams who will be in the market for a RB in front of us.
 

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Although I do think there's a way better chance that Jeanty falls than you're expecting, there aren't many teams who will be in the market for a RB in front of us.
I could see Jeanty going top 10. Wouldn't surprise me at all. But I could also see him dropping because he comes in at 5'8" and runs a 4.45 or something. But like you said, go get Hampton or Johnson in round two then. Hell pair Judkins/Henderson with Dowdle and I feel damn good. I like Nicholas Singleton and Ollie Gordon too. It's not that complicated. Draft one of these dudes in the first three rounds and pair them with Dowdle (I'd extend it to the fourth round but thanks a lot Mingo).
 

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I could see Jeanty going top 10. Wouldn't surprise me at all. But like you said, go get Hampton or Johnson in round two then. Hell pair Judkins with Dowdle and I feel damn good.
Almost any RB in the first 3 rounds in a timeshare with Dowdle is going to be an upgrade over Pollard/Elliott in 2022 and Pollard coming off his injury pretty much on his own in 2023.

It's just a matter of how big the upgrade is.

And I could see Jeanty going top 10 but I think it's unlikely. He won't go in the top 6ish picks, and after that you're talking teams like the Jets (Breece Hall), New Orleans (Kamara), Indianapolis (Taylor) and 49ers (McCaffrey, plus the Shannahan's generally don't believe in spending premium resources on RB's).

Could someone like the Raiders or Bears take him despite all their other needs? Maybe.

Could Shannahan decide the most important thing to his offense is an elite RB after seeing McCaffrey's impact? Maybe.

But I don't think any of that is especially likely.
 

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I could see Jeanty going top 10. Wouldn't surprise me at all. But I could also see him dropping because he comes in at 5'8" and runs a 4.45 or something. But like you said, go get Hampton or Johnson in round two then. Hell pair Judkins/Henderson with Dowdle and I feel damn good. I like Nicholas Singleton and Ollie Gordon too. It's not that complicated. Draft one of these dudes in the first three rounds and pair them with Dowdle (I'd extend it to the fourth round but thanks a lot Mingo).
If he runs a 4.5, I could see him fall
 

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If he runs a 4.5, I could see him fall
I mean the guy was a big play machine in college but yeah I don't know what that forty will be. Doesn't really matter that much to me. I mean how often are you concerned about a RB getting caught from behind going 40+ yards? But I do think that NFL teams could shy away if he doesn't have the same measurables as other past top RBs. It's like a corner running a 4.55. It basically makes them undraftable at the top of the draft. Even though someone like Andrew Booth could run a 4.4 and get toasted deep regularly.
 

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If he runs a 4.5, I could see him fall
And he probably will. He ran an 11.3 110m in high school. That doesn't translate to a good 40, and teams always overvalue the Underwear Olympics for RBs.

I think there's a great chance he's there for us.
 

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I mean the guy was a big play machine in college but yeah I don't know what that forty will be. Doesn't really matter that much to me. I mean how often are you concerned about a RB getting caught from behind going 40+ yards? But I do think that NFL teams could shy away if he doesn't have the same measurables as other past top RBs. It's like a corner running a 4.55. It basically makes them undraftable at the top of the draft. Even though someone like Andrew Booth could run a 4.4 and get toasted deep regularly.
40 time is a huge stat for me for both RB's and WR's.

It's not everything of course, but it projects their relative speed and speed is everything for impact skill positions in the NFL.

Give me a productive back in college with a 4.4 combine time and I draft him every time.
 
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