2024 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[Bipo]

If you think employees need constant live direct supervision then you’d make an outstanding big government communist.

 

[Cotton]

Are you turning woke too? Holy shit.

Are you turning conservative?

 

[boozeman]

Are you turning conservative?

Yes. But not to retard level.

Never go full retard.

 

[boozeman]

If you think employees need constant live direct supervision then you’d make an outstanding big government communist.

Pssst. They do when the corporate culture allows that.

Amazon? They are all fuck hell yeah about that.

 

[p1_]

I am sorry, but I really do not.

 

[Bipo]

I'm guessing the people bitching the most own real estate in all these office buildings sitting empty where people don't want to go back.

 

[ravidubey]

I'm guessing the people bitching the most own real estate in all these office buildings sitting empty where people don't want to go back.

People think they know better, but frankly they just want to be at home. It’s cheaper and more convenient and you are free to loaf or even take a nap

They lose any possibility of spontaneous collaboration which is how life fricking happens. You can’t Zoom life.

If I have simple tasks where I’ll never need any innovation or improvement, yeah sure, WFH

But to me, WFH is like living on life support. Yes you can survive, but you do not thrive as a company

 

[Genghis Khan]

free to loaf or even take a nap

Uhhh, I certainly can't do that.

 

[ravidubey]

Uhhh, I certainly can't do that.

Sure you could. Right in between Zoom sessions. Who would know besides you? If you still got your work done…

I’m playing Devils Advocate so don’t take it wrong.

This is a slippery slope. We are in danger of GenZ and future generations not learning how to work their asses off and innovate with their peers. Human beings were meant to interact in more ways than Zoom and text.

My least productive people cling to working from home

It was bullshit before the pandemic, life support during the pandemic, and still bullshit now after the pandemic

 

[boozeman]

People think they know better, but frankly they just want to be at home. It’s cheaper and more convenient and you are free to loaf or even take a nap

They lose any possibility of spontaneous collaboration which is how life fricking happens. You can’t Zoom life.

If I have simple tasks where I’ll never need any innovation or improvement, yeah sure, WFH

But to me, WFH is like living on life support. Yes you can survive, but you do not thrive as a company

Precisely.

People are trying to hang onto practices that were unleashed in force with COVID. Jobs that must involve real human conversations cannot be done remotely, sorry.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Sure you could. Right in between Zoom sessions. Who would know besides you? If you still got your work done…

You're literally wrong. I don't zoom from home at all. They can see everything I do on my computer, when I'm logged on or off, etc.

If I sleep my computer will time out and they'd see I'm logged out.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Jobs that must involve real human conversations cannot be done remotely, sorry.

That's true, but there are many jobs that require little to no face to face interactions.

 

[Texas Ace]

Uhhh, I certainly can't do that.

Yeah me either.

 

[p1_]

You're literally wrong. I don't zoom from home at all. They can see everything I do on my computer, when I'm logged on or off, etc.

If I sleep my computer will time out and they'd see I'm logged out.

Can you not have your computer “active” doing some type of app or program to keep it engaged ?

 

[p1_]

Sure you could. Right in between Zoom sessions. Who would know besides you? If you still got your work done…

I’m playing Devils Advocate so don’t take it wrong.

This is a slippery slope. We are in danger of GenZ and future generations not learning how to work their asses off and innovate with their peers. Human beings were meant to interact in more ways than Zoom and text.

My least productive people cling to working from home

It was bullshit before the pandemic, life support during the pandemic, and still bullshit now after the pandemic

Some folks now leave office work to be remote.

 

[Texas Ace]

People think they know better, but frankly they just want to be at home. It’s cheaper and more convenient and you are free to loaf or even take a nap

They lose any possibility of spontaneous collaboration which is how life fricking happens. You can’t Zoom life.

If I have simple tasks where I’ll never need any innovation or improvement, yeah sure, WFH

But to me, WFH is like living on life support. Yes you can survive, but you do not thrive as a company

That's all greatly exaggerated and in-person chemistry between coworkers is GREATLY overrated.

In fact, it's bullshit.

Hell, IDGAF about my coworkers whether I am in an office with them or I never meet them in person.

I mentioned earlier how the last company I worked for had their most lucrative year ever when every single member of the company worked from home everyday for the final 9 months of 2020.

What you need are responsible professionals who are good at what they do.

Nothing more.

If you have that, your company will be successful.

 

[Texas Ace]

Can you not have your computer “active” doing some type of app or program to keep it engaged ?

Yes, but there's software, like the one my current company employs, that tracks your activity throughout the day.

So if all you do is wiggle your mouse on a static screen, it's going to know.

This is 2024, for crying out loud. You guys really think that technology hasn't been developed that can determine just how active you are on your machine, the resources you're accessing, and the activities you're engaged in?

All the excuses to why someone needs to be in the office are all gone.

Execs just need to be honest and say they want it old school and prefer to be able to place physical eyes on you and leave it at that.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Can you not have your computer “active” doing some type of app or program to keep it engaged ?

I could I'm sure, but that's a lot of hoops to jump through.

I could have my wife click the mouse or something every 5-10 minutes to keep it from timing out, which would be easier (for me).

But either way it doesn't matter because they can see if all my work comes in like a 2 hour window or whatever and I'd be fired.

I'm telling you people, it's the 21st century. The computers are all connected and can see everything, then they run reports and it's all in front of them.

Also, even if it was the case that someone working from home could get all of their work done in 2 hours then could fuck around for 6 hours to get a full day in, does it matter if an appropriate amount of work is being done? And, that can absolutely also happen in an office.

I know someone who worked at a retirement home who would get all of her work done in about half the day, then basically hide out for the rest of her shift because otherwise they'd just give her more work to do. That happens when people aren't working from home too.

 

[Texas Ace]

Also, even if it was the case that someone working from home could get all of their work done in 2 hours then could fuck around for 6 hours to get a full day in, does it matter if an appropriate amount of work is being done? And, that can absolutely also happen in an office.

Exactly.

The same exact approach is taken in an office.

And at the end of the day, if you're completing all the work assigned to you within the timeframe that was expected, then your boss likely isn't even going to care that you fucked off for a bit.

Hell, my boss tells us all the time how he didn't "do shit all day Friday" and he's the damn VP of IT!



If you're truly an asset to the team and company and you're doing what's asked of you and doing it well? You'd be surprised how much is overlooked and forgiven because all most people care about is the bottom line.

 

[ravidubey]

It’s life support

Being in person strengthens communication, keeps us accountable to each other, encourages teamwork.

I we did shit like track mouse clicks or work checked in on an hourly basis people would flat out leave

No one wants that and no one wants to track that.

what I do want is for people to feel supported, mentored, like their advice and brainstorming matters.

We crushed during the pandemic because of a few fluke investments and the heroic efforts of a few. Our innovations, relationship building, and out of the box progress greatly suffered. And wow did we waste time on shit we didn’t need to when a few words from the right person would have changed everything.

That all changed for the better nearly the minute we all got back.

Maybe some industries can work fine with a completely remote workforce, but not ours.