2023 Season | Week 12 | Gameday Chatter Thread | Redskins @ Cowboys | 11/23/2023

[Chocolate Lab]

The officiating was horrible and lopsided. But the fact is the Eagles won. The only thing that counts is the Ws at the end of the season. There's no asterisk saying they should have lost more games or were lucky to win the ones they did. The KC drop at the end was unbelievable luck. A Bills WR dropped a sure touchdown. All luck. But none of that will matter at the end. They still won the games.

Not sure what your point is here. If you hit your tee shot into the trees five holes in a row and it bounces out into the fairway each time, yes, the ball is in the fairway. No one is arguing that the ball is not actually sitting on the fairway grass.

But that's incredible luck, and not sustainable.

 

[son of deadrise]

That's all true but we also know that "regression to the mean" is a very real thing in a league with razor thin margins. Maybe they'll be able to ride this style of play and luck all the way, but you can't love their chances given the history of the league.

Not sure what your point is here. If you hit your tee shot into the trees five holes in a row and it bounces out into the fairway each time, yes, the ball is in the fairway. No one is arguing that the ball is not actually sitting on the fairway grass.

But that's incredible luck, and not sustainable.

I'm not sure you can attribute everything that's happened to the Eagles as that kind of blind luck. I lived up in that area for many years and I take a back seat to no one when it comes to despising everything about that shit-hole city. But the unavoidable fact is that the Eagles have a pretty good freakin' football team.

There are all kinds of sayings out there about making your own luck.

"The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself." --Douglas Macarthur.

"Success is simply a matter of luck. Ask any failure."

And on and on . . .

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not sure you can attribute everything that's happened to the Eagles as that kind of blind luck. I lived up in that area for many years and I take a back seat to no one when it comes to despising everything about that shit-hole city. But the unavoidable fact is that the Eagles have a pretty good freakin' football team.

No doubt they have a good team. I don't think anyone said they were 9-1 with a Carolina Panthers level football team.

As for all those sayings? They make for good positive attitudes and motivational posters. But only a child believes there isn't such a thing as good or bad fortune, especially in the short run.

 

[Simpleton]

I'm not sure you can attribute everything that's happened to the Eagles as that kind of blind luck. I lived up in that area for many years and I take a back seat to no one when it comes to despising everything about that shit-hole city. But the unavoidable fact is that the Eagles have a pretty good freakin' football team.

There are all kinds of sayings out there about making your own luck.

"The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself." --Douglas Macarthur.

"Success is simply a matter of luck. Ask any failure."

And on and on . . .

The only thing separating us and the Eagles right now was the 8 yards that stood between us and the end zone in the last 30 seconds or whatever of that game in Philly.

They're a good team, they have one of the best FO's in football, so on and so forth, but when the margins are that thin luck is going to play a major factor and they've had a significant amount of it these last few weeks and most of the season.

You can't contribute a single one of our wins to any major strokes of luck, whereas several of the Eagles wins came by the thinnest of margins, even against average or worse teams.

 

[p1_]

I didn't want to bring this up, but the Eagles have seemed to get a consistently beneficial whistle. It evened out a bit in the last few minutes of the game and OT but the officiating was significantly in their favor through at least the first 2-3 quarters.

And this seems to be a reoccurring theme.

It seemed especially obvious yesterday. Horse collar, intentional grounding call being just one.

 

[son of deadrise]

No doubt they have a good team. I don't think anyone said they were 9-1 with a Carolina Panthers level football team.

As for all those sayings? They make for good positive attitudes and motivational posters. But only a child believes there isn't such a thing as good or bad fortune, especially in the short run.

I don't think 14 - 3 last year or 9 - 1 so far this year is the short run. Sorry.

"You make your own luck" or "you are what your record says you are" aren't just sayings on motivational posters. They happen to be true.

Next three weeks will be the test.

 

[Simpleton]

I don't think 14 - 3 last year or 9 - 1 so far this year is the short run. Sorry.

"You make your own luck" or "you are what your record says you are" aren't just sayings on motivational posters. They happen to be true.

Next three weeks will be the test.

They weren't lucky like this last year, they were consistently blowing teams out and were generally a much better team in my opinion.

If you look closely the cracks are starting to show but it's being covered up (in the short run) by the ridiculous luck they've had over the last month or so.

 

[son of deadrise]

The only thing separating us and the Eagles right now was the 8 yards that stood between us and the end zone in the last 30 seconds or whatever of that game in Philly.

They're a good team, they have one of the best FO's in football, so on and so forth, but when the margins are that thin luck is going to play a major factor and they've had a significant amount of it these last few weeks and most of the season.

You can't contribute a single one of our wins to any major strokes of luck, whereas several of the Eagles wins came by the thinnest of margins, even against average or worse teams.

"the 8 yards that stood between us and the end zone" and the "thinnest of margins" don't matter. All that matters is WINS and LOSSES. The Eagles lost the SB last year to KC on a really borderline PI call. The announcer (the FOX clown) said "I really hate that call at this point in the game." Does that matter? No.

Does anyone talk about that? No. All that matters is who WON and who LOST.

 

[Simpleton]

"the 8 yards that stood between us and the end zone" and the "thinnest of margins" don't matter. All that matters is WINS and LOSSES. The Eagles lost the SB last year to KC on a really borderline PI call. The announcer (the FOX clown) said "I really hate that call at this point in the game." Does that matter? No.

Does anyone talk about that? No. All that matters is who WON and who LOST.

Sure but we aren't at that point of finality yet in the season so gauging a team's actual ability as opposed to just "what their record says" is important when talking about future results.

And everybody still talks about that call, which I wouldn't call borderline at all, he tugged at his jersey twice.

 

[data]

Someone post a potato salad recipe for god sakes

 

[roughneck266]

Someone post a potato salad recipe for god sakes

Get your shit together Phil! This site is about beans!

 

[son of deadrise]

Sure but we aren't at that point of finality yet in the season so gauging a team's actual ability as opposed to just "what their record says" is important when talking about future results.

And everybody still talks about that call, which I wouldn't call borderline at all, he tugged at his jersey twice.

The Eagle DB admitted he grabbed the Chiefs WR. But once again ... so what?

I would love for the Cowboys to break through that barrier of WINNING vs. slim margins and "might-have-beens" and referee conspiracies. One way to do that is to SCORE MORE FUCKING POINTS than the other team. No one disputes that -- numbers up on the scoreboard when time expires.

 

[kidd]

I hope Jerry pays off the refs when we play the Eagles just so I can drink in the tears of all those crying Eagles fan wh have been acting disingenuous about this whole thing.

 

[p1_]

They weren't lucky like this last year, they were consistently blowing teams out and were generally a much better team in my opinion.

If you look closely the cracks are starting to show but it's being covered up (in the short run) by the ridiculous luck they've had over the last month or so.

and their record is better thus far this year, even having lost a number of players from last years SB roster.

 

[Smitty]

He has an 87 QB rating. That's very Daniel Jones level.

Yeah, because Washington sucks and he’s getting the snot pounded out of him.

He’s better than Jones.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah, because Washington sucks and he’s getting the snot pounded out of him.

He’s better than Jones.

Daniel Jones has always got the snot pounded out of him. Hell Joe Burrow has gotten the snot pounded out of him since the day he stepped into the NFL.

No one cares if you throw for 300 yards when it leads to a blistering 10 points. That's awful. No excuse, no bullshit, you either lead your team to points or you don't. You have Dak do that and you'd be standing on your high hill telling everyone how right you were about him sucking. You make excuses for Howell because you're blinded by your North Carolina Fandom.

 

[bbgun]

You make excuses for Howell because you're blinded by your North Carolina Fandom.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The Eagle DB admitted he grabbed the Chiefs WR. But once again ... so what?

I would love for the Cowboys to break through that barrier of WINNING vs. slim margins and "might-have-beens" and referee conspiracies. One way to do that is to SCORE MORE FUCKING POINTS than the other team. No one disputes that -- numbers up on the scoreboard when time expires.

I understand what you're saying but I think we are talking about different things. The Eagles have the best record in the NFL. They have the best shot at HFA through the playoffs. No one is arguing this.

Are they the best team in the NFL? I don't think so. But I guess we will see when the season ends. I think the 49ers are a better team. Despite the loss, I think the Chiefs are better. I think it's a toss up with teams like the Cowboys and Bills. But we will see in 2 weeks. That game in Dallas will tell you all you need to know about who is better.

 

[ravidubey]

They were better last year, this year I don't think there's any daylight between us and them, and I think SF is a good bit better than both when they're playing at their peak.

We'll see what happens in two weeks but if we beat them comfortably (and assuming they lose to SF) I'd feel confident saying we're the better team given how the rest of the season has gone.

I think SF is tougher the first time you play them.

Teams need to get used to their misdirection game. During that prime time game against us, they were beyond hyped up, almost insanely so, and I think it adversely affected their next three games.

Playing them a second time when they are more at an even keel and we are more confident will make a big difference, especially if we can get them back on artificial turf

 

[Smitty]

Daniel Jones has always got the snot pounded out of him. Hell Joe Burrow has gotten the snot pounded out of him since the day he stepped into the NFL.

No one cares if you throw for 300 yards when it leads to a blistering 10 points. That's awful. No excuse, no bullshit, you either lead your team to points or you don't. You have Dak do that and you'd be standing on your high hill telling everyone how right you were about him sucking. You make excuses for Howell because you're blinded by your North Carolina Fandom.

Dak, the guy who I’ve said over and over is an 8-12th ranked QB over his career?

I’m saying Howell is worse than that. Far worse. He’s just better than Jones. I don’t know what Joe Burrow has to do with this.

I don’t think you understand nuance if you can’t comprehend that a mediocre level starter would still be an elite backup, could still have developmental potential, and is worth more than a mediocre TE.