2023 Draft Big Boards, Position Rankings & Mocks

[Simpleton]

Here's my question to you guys:

Name a few players you like much better than the internet guru consensus, then name a few players you hate compared to the those guys.

Like Better:

Felix Anudike-Uzomah
Tucker Kraft
Mazi Smith
Jack Campbell
Drew Sanders
Josh Downs
Tuli Tuipolotu
Siaki Ika
Derick Hall
Jayden Reed

Like Less:

Luke Musgrave
Kelee Ringo
Cedric Tillman
Devon Achane

 

[shoop]

Weird Question.

how far would Levis have to fall before you would take him. Doing a mock and I picked up #96 in a trade. Levis is still there. I think at that point it is worth the investment. Gives you2-3 years to try to develop him to see if he can replace Dak or create a trade market for him.

 

[mcnuttz]

You are on the clock at 26. This is what is available.
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your best deal is to trade down to the Colts or Cardinals and pick up a Third. Are you doing it?

I'm a trade down fan.

 

[shoop]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Here's my question to you guys:

Name a few players you like much better than the internet guru consensus, then name a few players you hate compared to the those guys.

So like I'd put Mayer in that category of guys I don't like compared to consensus but that's because in my head they have him as a top 20 caliber player. I have him more of a 25-35 type player. I think I'd also say Brian Branch. And maybe it's our lack of a first round pick but he is kind of a box safety, but he is small, he isn't fast. He's a "footballl" player but when I'm talking about a first round safety I just think I need more than that. I'm also way more down on Murphy than what he was being projected. But now I see some "experts" predicting him as a late first. I'm down on him as a top 10 caliber talent though. I just think it's going to be a mistake for a team if they do that. Musgrave I'm way lower on. Ringo I'm way lower on. If I want a guy with size and athletic ability I can find those dudes in the third round and they probably played better than him. Trenton Simpson gets first round buzz, but I'm not touching that guy. Josh Downs I'm a little lower on because I think he is really a slot only guy. With Lamb doing so well out of the slot, I hate to draft a guy who I think is only useful from there.

Guys who I like better than the consensus would probably be Kancey (Depending on who you believe), Kraft who I think is a complete TE and play maker, Hyatt only because I think he is going mid second round and I like him better than that. Mazi Smith because I think he can be more than just a pure NT. The thought that you can't take a guy just because he is a run stuffer doesn't feel right with Mazi mostly because I think he can be more. He just didn't have the opportunity in college. Matthew Bergeron I'm probably higher on. I actually really like Gervon Dexter, Darius Rush I'm really high on, obviously Sam LaPorta, YaYa Diaby, Jayden Reed and AT Perry (Who I still can't believe doesn't get more buzz).

 

[boozeman]

I think this just highlights that these people think the Cowboys need a TE. Kincaid and Mayer are gone by our pick in this mock, so naturally the expert just goes to his next TE.

They need a DT too. You don’t see a bunch of Mazi Smith projections.

 

[mcnuttz]

They need a DT too. You don’t see a bunch of Mazi Smith projections.

TE is the new CB for Dallas mocks.

 

[boozeman]

TE is the new CB for Dallas mocks.

It better be.

 

[mcnuttz]

It better be.

Would be a shame if they mess up the 1st round pick after the offseason they've had.

 

[ravidubey]

Isn't that what everybody wants? BPA?

I'm fine with a TE if it lines up with their board. They actually deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to at least the first round. They have been very good for awhile.

Put it this way, he may indeed be the BPA, but the draft is also about mining depth in later rounds too. You might not be able to find an edge rusher or lineman of the same quality but in this draft you can come close to finding that value at TE, even in later rounds

 

[boozeman]

Would be a shame if they mess up the 1st round pick after the offseason they've had.

It would be inexcusable.

 

[boozeman]

Isn't that what everybody wants? BPA?

I'm fine with a TE if it lines up with their board. They actually deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to at least the first round. They have been very good for awhile.

If your BPA has the kind of limited production he has, then there is something wrong.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

They need a DT too. You don’t see a bunch of Mazi Smith projections.

Listen, I know the loss of Carlos Watkins has hit you hard but he is no Schultz!

I absolutely agree by the way. When I say they think we need a TE, it's because of the loss of Schultz. Not because we actually need a TE. We just don't have a TE sitting on the roster who has produced a 500 yard season. Instead we did the smart thing and started to prepare for the loss of Schultz by drafting a dude last year. If we wanted to keep Schultz we easily could have. We didn't want to.

DT was a need last year, it's a need this year and it will probably be a need yet again next year. It's like safety used to be for us. But we didn't technically lose anything at DT from last year (Except Watkins) so it's like the need goes unrecognized by the media people.

 

[Rev]

Put it this way, he may indeed be the BPA, but the draft is also about mining depth in later rounds too. You might not be able to find an edge rusher or lineman of the same quality but in this draft you can come close to finding that value at TE, even in later rounds

I disagree on the value part but time will tell.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Put it this way, he may indeed be the BPA, but the draft is also about mining depth in later rounds too. You might not be able to find an edge rusher or lineman of the same quality but in this draft you can come close to finding that value at TE, even in later rounds

I think you can find edge rusher later too. There is actually a lot of guys at edge rusher in this draft. We just haven't talked about all of them a lot because it's not really a need.

But DT? Very thin position. Interior O-lineman? Very thin position. If you don't get a guy at those positions in the first couple of rounds you're really going to start to struggle to find guys who don't need serious development. WR is pretty thin as well. LBer, another thin position.

The depth of this draft in my opinion is at TE, CB and DE.

 

[shoop]

I told my supervisor(also a Cowboys fan) if they take musgrove in the first I won’t be here tomorrow.

 

[Rev]

I think you can find edge rusher later too. There is actually a lot of guys at edge rusher in this draft. We just haven't talked about all of them a lot because it's not really a need.

But DT? Very thin position. Interior O-lineman? Very thin position. If you don't get a guy at those positions in the first couple of rounds you're really going to start to struggle to find guys who don't need serious development. WR is pretty thin as well. LBer, another thin position.

The depth of this draft in my opinion is at TE, CB and DE.

I know I've been on board talking TE but I have been wanting Avila even at 26 for awhile now. I just wouldn't be opposed to Mayer. Kincaid because of back issue and Muskrat would be a no likey for me.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I know I've been on board talking TE but I have been wanting Avila even at 26 for awhile now. I just wouldn't be opposed to Mayer. Kincaid because of back issue and Muskrat would be a no likey for me.

Yeah I don't really want a TE at 26, everyone probably knows that by now. But if we take one I wouldn't throw a fit. A mean it could still be an offensive weapon who starts for us. I just don't see the value in Musgrave. Hell I'd rather have Washington assuming there is no medical red flag with him. I've seen more from Washington than I have from Musgrave.

 

[boozeman]

Final mock draft from me:

Overall #	Team	Player Name	Position	School	Traded Pick
1	Carolina Panthers	Young, Bryce*	QB	Alabama	(from Chicago)
2	Houston Texans	Anderson, Will*	DE	Alabama
3	Tennessee Titans	Stroud, C.J.*	QB	Ohio State	TRADE WITH ARIZONA
4	Indianapolis Colts	Richardson, Anthony*	QB	Florida
5	Seattle Seahawks	Carter, Jalen*	DT	Georgia	(from Denver)
6	Detroit Lions	Witherspoon, Devon	CB	Illinois	(from Los Angeles Rams)
7	Philadelphia Eagles	Robinson, Bijan*	RB	Texas	TRADE WITH LAS VEGAS
8	Atlanta Falcons	Wilson, Tyree	DE	Texas Tech
9	Chicago Bears	Jones, Broderick*	OT	Georgia	(from Carolina)
10	Las Vegas Raiders	Gonzalez, Christian*	CB	Oregon	(from New Orleans) TRADE WITH PHILADELPHA
11	Arizona Cardinals	Johnson, Paris*	OT	Ohio State	TRADE WITH TENNESSEE
12	Houston Texans	Levis, Will	QB	Kentucky
13	Green Bay Packers	Wright, Darnell	OT	Tennessee	(from New York Jets)
14	New England Patriots	Van Ness, Lukas*	DE	Iowa
15	New York Jets	Skoronski, Peter*	OT	Northwestern	(from Green Bay)
16	Washington Commanders	Porter, Joey*	CB	Penn State
17	Pittsburgh Steelers	Harrison, Anton*	OT	Oklahoma
18	Detroit Lions	Branch, Brian*	FS	Alabama
19	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	Smith-Njigba, Jaxon*	WR	Ohio State
20	Seattle Seahawks	Hooker, Hendon	QB	Tennessee
21	Los Angeles Chargers	Kincaid, Dalton	TE	Utah
22	Baltimore Ravens	Banks, Deonte	CB	Maryland
23	Minnesota Vikings	Flowers, Zay	WR	Boston College
24	Jacksonville Jaguars	Bergeron, Matthew	OT	Syracuse
25	New York Giants	Addison, Jordan	WR	USC
26	Dallas Cowboys	Mayer, Michael*	TE	Notre Dame
27	Buffalo Bills	Smith, Mazi*	DT	Michigan
28	Cincinnati Bengals	Forbes, Emmanuel	CB	Mississippi State
29	New Orleans Saints	Murphy, Myles*	DE	Clemson	(from San Francisco through Miami and Denver)
30	Philadelphia Eagles	Smith, Nolan	DE	Georgia
31	Kansas City Chiefs	Gibbs, Jahmyr*	RB	Alabama

 

[Smitty]

Weird Question.

how far would Levis have to fall before you would take him. Doing a mock and I picked up #96 in a trade. Levis is still there. I think at that point it is worth the investment. Gives you2-3 years to try to develop him to see if he can replace Dak or create a trade market for him.

At this point, our next pick.