2023 Cowboys Coaching Staff Thread

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah, now I think I get it.

The truth is probably in the middle. Little Kellen learned from his deddy in butt fuck Washington, then got a good bit of Chris Petersen, then some heavy Scott Linehan and finished off by a dollop of whatever else Garrett had that Linehan did not teach him.

Yeah it's a combination. That's why things are better than Garrett was. But you also still see a lot of the same shit from Garrett. I think Moore would benefit from going and learning under a coach like Shannahan or Reid. He may come out as a special coach.

 

[L.T. Fan]

and some of us are saying that a Scott Linehan protege' doesnt impress.

That’s okay if that is how you feel about it but it’s still an opinion and some may disagree.

 

[Cotton]

Strategies and schemes may have changed or evolved

So, you admit to being wrong. Got it.

 

[p1_]

Strategies and schemes may have changed or evolved but the game is the same. Put up the most points to win.

you might have heard the expresssion 'the game within the game'. Theres more to it than line up and beat the man across from you.

 

[data]

But, that opinion lends itself to the idiotic idea that football hasn't evolved. Which it has, a lot. Some coaches adapted to that evolution and some didn't. Tom Landry retired because the game had passed him by. Meaning, he couldn't evolve with the game as it changed. It happens. The Otto Graham days of coaching isn't even close to the modern way of coaching. So none of it makes any logical sense.

One step at a time. LT Fan contends that Kellen’s system is influenced by 1+ systems. Aside from Garrett/Linehan, Kellen’s other main experience is a high school playbook.

So does high school playbook influence strengthen Kellen’s performance in the NFL? Or does it force more pressure on the players to execute flawlessly?

 

[Cotton]

Theres more to it than line up and beat the man across from you.

Which is exactly what Coryell, Linehan, Turner, Garrett, and Moore's systems need to succeed. And it is outdated. Because the damn game has evolved and some OCs have adapted to that and some haven't.

 

[Cotton]

So does high school playbook influence strengthen Kellen’s performance in the NFL?

No

Or does it force more pressure on the players to execute flawlessly?

Yes

 

[Cotton]

Which is exactly what Coryell, Linehan, Turner, Garrett, and Moore's systems need to succeed. And it is outdated. Because the damn game has evolved and some OCs have adapted to that and some haven't.

And, how many of these coaches are still employed as a coach in the NFL? One.

Which is exactly my point.

 

[p1_]

Kyle Shanahan is one of the greatest offensive minds in the NFL.

Watching how he has structured and schemed the offense of the 49ers is a thing of beauty. It isn't always pretty, but the 49ers are in a great place offensively with Shanahan. The guy gets labeled an "offensive genius," which can make it extremely interesting how he formulates his playbook.

Shanahan actually revealed what goes into formulating his plays at his press conference on Tuesday.


“What I see in the defense." said Shanahan. "There are not these secret plays that we carry, I always say, around in that notebook in Water Boy, that someone's going to steal someday and then we're screwed. We all run the same plays. It's how you tie them together, how you design them, how you put certain guys in certain positions, they have answers versus not the perfect look, but all the looks. And that's really what it comes down to -- timing and preparation and understanding what works against defenses and what your players can do versus those defenses.”

 

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No


Yes

So LT Fan can be correct about influenced by more than one system’, yet that further hurts, not strengthens, Kellen’s credibility as an OC that can take us beyond the NFL Divisional Round.

 

[Cotton]

So LT Fan can be correct about influenced by more than one system’, yet that further hurts, not strengthens, Kellen’s credibility as an OC that can take us beyond the NFL Divisional Round.

He isn’t locked in on something he learned from his experience as a college player or pro player or coach

This statement made by him gives the opinion that his "super secret" influence came from his dad in high school. GTFO with that. It makes zero sense given how different high school football is than the NFL. And, I don't agree that he isn't essentially just running Garrett's offense with a few jap plays mixed in.

 

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He isn’t locked in on something he learned from his experience as a college player or pro player or coach

This statement made by him gives the opinion that his "super secret" influence came from his dad in high school. GTFO with that. It makes zero sense given how different high school football is than the NFL. And, I don't agree that he isn't essentially just running Garrett's offense with a few jap plays mixed in.

Football is football. If your eleven beats their eleven, Zeke at center = TD

 

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Speaking of which, if you wanna dig into that final play…it’s smart to add an additional skill player by having him play center. Although ineligible for a pass, he can still be a ball-handler on a lateral.

Zeke, though? Mr 2.6YPC that struggles to catch swing passes?

I might trust Biadasz with more elusiveness. Put Trevon Diggs or our fastest LBer out there

 

[bbgun]

To Everyone

Oh boy. I've seen some suicide notes that start this way.

 

[Simpleton]

Kyle Shanahan is one of the greatest offensive minds in the NFL.

Watching how he has structured and schemed the offense of the 49ers is a thing of beauty. It isn't always pretty, but the 49ers are in a great place offensively with Shanahan. The guy gets labeled an "offensive genius," which can make it extremely interesting how he formulates his playbook.

Shanahan actually revealed what goes into formulating his plays at his press conference on Tuesday.


“What I see in the defense." said Shanahan. "There are not these secret plays that we carry, I always say, around in that notebook in Water Boy, that someone's going to steal someday and then we're screwed. We all run the same plays. It's how you tie them together, how you design them, how you put certain guys in certain positions, they have answers versus not the perfect look, but all the looks. And that's really what it comes down to -- timing and preparation and understanding what works against defenses and what your players can do versus those defenses.”

He runs an integrated scheme that builds counters on top of their base plays/formations, making much of their runs and play action passes look the same by formation and motions, and then builds counters on top of those counters based on nuances he notices in opposing defenses.

So basically the exact opposite of Garrett's (and by extension Moore for the most part) "bone on bone" bullshit.

 

[Cotton]

Football is football. If your eleven beats their eleven, Zeke at center = TD

That mindset worked in the early 90s when we had an offense full of studs. This team does not have that (nor does any other team right now) so you have to scheme to your personnel. The Coryell concept which Garrett learned under Turner and taught to Moore only works if you truly can just out-athlete your opponent. So, you either adjust or you will no longer be employed as a coordinator in this league. Moore can't adjust.

The salary cap changed everything.

 

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That mindset worked in the early 90s when we had an offense full of studs. This team does not have that (nor does any other team right now) so you have to scheme to your personnel. The Coryell concept which Garrett learned under Turner and taught to Moore only works if you truly can just out-athlete your opponent. So, you either adjust or you will no longer be employed as a coordinator in this league. Moore can't adjust.

The salary cap changed everything.

Tom disagrees

 

[Cotton]

Tom disagrees

So does Bert, apparently.

 

[boozeman]

Football is football. If your eleven beats their eleven, Zeke at center = TD

Hats on hats.

 

[p1_]

So basically the exact opposite of Garrett's (and by extension Moore for the most part) "bone on bone" bullshit.

Cro-Magnon football with leather helmets.