2022 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah this is what happens when you don't have a competent #2 or #3 receiver. It should get better when Gallup is back if he is anything like before his injury. You just need a guy on the other side who is capable of beating single coverage. Noah Brown is definitely not that. Houston is definitely not that. I was hoping Tolbert might be but I guess that needs more time.

Of course none of those guys is Amari Cooper who absolutely can smoke single coverage. We have no one like that on the roster and it's sad how little we cared about that fact.

 

[Simpleton]

And there's not much you can do about that, but the way he rounds off certain routes is sheer laziness that can be corrected.

He ran that same lazy post corner route in the playoffs that he ran on Sunday night against Tampa Bay.

That is 100% on coaching. But like I said the other day, why would it change it the same shitty OC came back?

On top of the fact that Moore isn't all that creative, he doesn't exactly strike me as a guy who commands respect in the locker room.

Yea the offense as a whole is super poorly coached, from the OL to the offensive design to the nuances of executing assignments (i.e. Schultz basically blocking Brown and blowing up the double reverse on the first drive on his own), so while I think Lamb deserves plenty of blame I'm certain we'd get more out of him with a better offensive staff.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah this is what happens when you don't have a competent #2 or #3 receiver. It should get better when Gallup is back if he is anything like before his injury. You just need a guy on the other side who is capable of beating single coverage. Noah Brown is definitely not that. Houston is definitely not that. I was hoping Tolbert might be but I guess that needs more time.

Of course none of those guys is Amari Cooper who absolutely can smoke single coverage. We have no one like that on the roster and it's sad how little we cared about that fact.

It's easy not to care, not to diligently think through the implications of a decision, and then make said rash decisions when your job literally will never be on the line.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The really stupid thing is, if any offense needs multiple WR weapons, it's the Garrett/Linehan/Moore one. Why, because if they double your top guy, you don't find a way to scheme him open, you just go to the next option. It would be amazing to see how far Cooper Kupp's numbers would drop in this offense as opposed to what McVay does.

 

[Texas Ace]

Yeah this is what happens when you don't have a competent #2 or #3 receiver. It should get better when Gallup is back if he is anything like before his injury. You just need a guy on the other side who is capable of beating single coverage. Noah Brown is definitely not that. Houston is definitely not that. I was hoping Tolbert might be but I guess that needs more time.

But even if we had Devante Adams and Jefferson as our starters, they're not getting open against zone coverage in this shitty scheme.

The Kurt Warner video was so damning because it showed just how flawed our offense is as a whole and how we don't have much margin for error.

Most of the time, guys aren't open because our route concepts are fucked and when guys actually are open, Dak is late or inaccurate.

There's no reason to believe that the offense is gonna be any better than it was from the end of last season when all the major pieces are the same.

 

[Cujo]

And there's not much you can do about that, but the way he rounds off certain routes is sheer laziness that can be corrected.

He ran that same lazy post corner route in the playoffs that he ran on Sunday night against Tampa Bay.

That is 100% on coaching. But like I said the other day, why would it change it the same shitty OC came back?

On top of the fact that Moore isn't all that creative, he doesn't exactly strike me as a guy who commands respect in the locker room.

This is year 3 for him. Why tf have they not corrected his route running issues? That baffles me. Their lack of attention to detail is emblematic of what is wrong with this organization from the very top to the very bottom.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Simpleton]

But even if we had Devante Adams and Jefferson as our starters, they're not getting open against zone coverage in this shitty scheme.

The Kurt Warner video was so damning because it showed just how flawed our offense is as a whole and how we don't have much margin for error.

Most of the time, guys aren't open because our route concepts are fucked and when guys actually are open, Dak is late or inaccurate.

There's no reason to believe that the offense is gonna be any better than it was from the end of last season when all the major pieces are the same.

We'll see how things look under Payton, that will be the true litmus test.

 

[Cotton]

He can be Einstein smart and it still doesn't help his arm strength.

 

[p1_]

Yea I said recently (and have thought for a while) that the guy is just not that smart, generally or football smart.

This seems to be the case. Wonderlic score, please.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Cooper Rush is a walking computer

OMG, isn't that exactly what Garrett was called?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

But even if we had Devante Adams and Jefferson as our starters, they're not getting open against zone coverage in this shitty scheme.

The Kurt Warner video was so damning because it showed just how flawed our offense is as a whole and how we don't have much margin for error.

Most of the time, guys aren't open because our route concepts are fucked and when guys actually are open, Dak is late or inaccurate.

There's no reason to believe that the offense is gonna be any better than it was from the end of last season when all the major pieces are the same.

Well Kellen Moore isn't it either. He has no ability to adapt or exploit what the defense is doing. I was just talking about the attention Lamb is getting. You can put the defense in a bind with schemes or you can put them in a bind with talent. Kellen isn't capable of putting teams in a bind with schemes. We did at least to some extent with schemes. Dak and this offense has been pretty good at times about going after whatever the defense isn't doubling. So Cooper is doubled, we don't even look there, we would just throw it to Lamb. And vice versa. But when you basically have no one besides Lamb it's a much bigger problem. Now you don't have a talent advantage at all to exploit. You don't have a schematic advantage. And you're basically left with the Cowboys pre Amari Cooper.

 

[ravidubey]

My thing is that he seems surprised.

Yeah, like WTF are they doing in practice

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This seems to be the case. Wonderlic score, please.

 

[Texas Ace]

Well Kellen Moore isn't it either. He has no ability to adapt or exploit what the defense is doing. I was just talking about the attention Lamb is getting. You can put the defense in a bind with schemes or you can put them in a bind with talent. Kellen isn't capable of putting teams in a bind with schemes. We did at least to some extent with schemes. Dak and this offense has been pretty good at times about going after whatever the defense isn't doubling. So Cooper is doubled, we don't even look there, we would just throw it to Lamb. And vice versa. But when you basically have no one besides Lamb it's a much bigger problem. Now you don't have a talent advantage at all to exploit. You don't have a schematic advantage. And you're basically left with the Cowboys pre Amari Cooper.

Agreed all around -- all points I've made myself.

 

[Texas Ace]

Apparently McCarthy has been throwing Moore under the bus?


I think this is great, but this is what I was alluding to the other day -- he's in year 3 now. He doesn't need to be the yes-man anymore since he's in his final season barring major success.

What are they going to do? Fire him mid-season for being insubordinate? Fine.... He gets his money anyway.

Imagine the bad press the Cowboys would get for firing a HC for wanting to take over the offense from his struggling OC.

It would be a HUGE deal.

So IMO, he has no reason whatsoever to just sit there and take it. Go out in a blaze of glory.

Hell, who knows? What if he takes over and the offense looks 100 times better and they actually get on a roll? You get to the playoffs and win a game or two with a lesser talented team. Wouldn't that reflect very well on him?

So fuck him too if he's just gonna sit there and be a lazy, spinless chump for the rest of the year.

Time to do something, fat ass.

 

[p1_]

that reminds me, wasnt there a user/poster who went by DimBulb?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's too late to install an entirely new offense at this point anyway.

But I now think -- I'm pretty damn sure -- that he was told when he took the job that Kellen would run the offense and that was that. Kind of like how Wade was told Garrett was the sole offensive voice, and even Parcells made the deal with Jerry that he would give Quincy and Hutch a try.

You can blame him for taking the job under those conditions, sure. But I think that's what's happening here. I admit I didn't believe that at first, but I was wrong. McCarthy has groused too many times about not calling plays, how much he misses it, etc.

 

[data]

Well Kellen Moore isn't it either. He has no ability to adapt or exploit what the defense is doing. I was just talking about the attention Lamb is getting. You can put the defense in a bind with schemes or you can put them in a bind with talent. Kellen isn't capable of putting teams in a bind with schemes. We did at least to some extent with schemes. Dak and this offense has been pretty good at times about going after whatever the defense isn't doubling. So Cooper is doubled, we don't even look there, we would just throw it to Lamb. And vice versa. But when you basically have no one besides Lamb it's a much bigger problem. Now you don't have a talent advantage at all to exploit. You don't have a schematic advantage. And you're basically left with the Cowboys pre Amari Cooper.

well, let’s see. You have a weapon in Tony Pollard, but sans double reverse and Wildcat you’ve exhausted everything. You’re paying for a franchise TE that’s not that kind of weapon. Paying Top 5 RB money and won’t use him despite 5.0 YPC. On top of it all, using the same gameplan from last years playbook. And a newly minted #1 WR that doesn’t realize that comes with #1 coverage. That’s just the short list with Kellen

Only thing that panned out was much-chastised Brett Maher making a long FG.

 

[Texas Ace]

It's too late to install an entirely new offense at this point anyway.

But I now think -- I'm pretty damn sure -- that he was told when he took the job that Kellen would run the offense and that was that. Kind of like how Wade was told Garrett was the sole offensive voice, and even Parcells made the deal with Jerry that he would give Quincy and Hutch a try.

You can blame him for taking the job under those conditions, sure. But I think that's what's happening here. I admit I didn't believe that at first, but I was wrong. McCarthy has groused too many times about not calling plays, how much he misses it, etc.

You can't install an entirely new offense mid-season, but you can take over playcalling and you can start to gradually add new wrinkles each week.

He has no excuse not to be doing that at this point.