‘The kid is a damn baller.’ Inside the 2022 Senior Bowl roster construction, with key names to know
Bruce Feldman Nov 11, 2021
Kicking off two days of marathon Zoom sessions, Jim Nagy came dressed for the occasion. The 47-year-old executive director of the Reese’s Senior Bowl sat in his office wearing a blue “Gonna Go Have a Cold One” t-shirt honoring Kenny Pickett while a dozen of Nagy’s colleagues from all over the country were logged in to dissect Pitt’s star quarterback — and hundreds of other 2022 NFL Draft hopefuls.
“I feel like this is a good place to start,” Nagy said with a smile about the QB whose postgame comments after beating Clemson last month made him something of a folk hero. Pickett is one of three senior quarterbacks, along with Liberty’s Malik Willis and Cincinnati’s Desmond Ridder, that Nagy feels comfortable about being among their first wave of invites to January’s Senior Bowl.
“Does any have any opposition to those guys having first-wave invites?” Nagy asks.
His staff, comprised of a group with 120 total years of NFL scouting experience, offers no objections.
The rest of the evaluation process for the other five quarterback spots, and every other position on the field, will be more spirited, and the subject of more than 14 hours of Zoom discussion in the first week of November in which
The Athletic was allowed to be a fly on the … screen. Dissecting prospects is based on, among other things, physical skill set, make-up, background and medical history.
Quarterbacks, continued
In the mix for the other quarterback slots are two underclassmen who will be eligible to play in the game because they are expected to graduate in time. The most intriguing aspect of the hour-long QB portion of the zoom was the subject of a trio of late risers, all transfer portal products who vaulted onto the radar this fall.
Western Kentucky’s Bailey Zappe, a former no-star recruit who began his career at FCS Houston Baptist before transferring into Conference USA, has put up eye-popping numbers. He now leads the nation with 37 touchdown passes against just six interceptions. Andy Dengler, an area scout for the Senior Bowl, rattles off Zappe’s stats and background to the group, pointing out that he always works from the shotgun, and that he reviewed four of Zappe’s games this season and noted that he only had two balls batted down despite only measuring in at “60-01,” essentially a hair taller than 6-foot.
“He does have a way of changing levels and finding lanes to throw,” Dengler says.
Before joining Nagy’s staff this year, Dengler had spent 23 years with the
Jacksonville Jaguars, including the previous eight years as the franchise’s assistant director of player personnel.
“Andy is one of the best evaluators I’ve ever been around,” Nagy later says. “He’s a credit to the profession. We’re lucky to have him. He’s better than half the GMs in the league.”
Dengler, like many in the profession, is a protégé of the late Duke Babb, a legendary football scout. “He’d challenge you on how you graded players and he held you accountable,” Dengler says. Babb was a stickler when it came to attention to detail. Dengler learned to study things like knee bend (“the better the knee-bender, the better the player”) and how a guy recovers when he gets out of position.
“Look at the speed turn if he’s out of position,” he says. When it comes to Zappe, Dengler sees an above-average athlete with an above-average arm.
The back-and-forth begins.
“He’s not as mobile as
Gardner Minshew, and he’s a little bit shorter,” he tells the group. “My biggest problem with him, is for having an above-average arm, at times he throws kind of an inaccurate ball on timing and anticipation. I do like his savvy. He can move the chains. I saw him as a backup. I don’t know if he’s got a strong enough arm to be a starter but I think he’d be an effective backup in the league.”
Nagy: “You think he’s safely draftable, right, Andy?”
“Yes. I’d put him late fourth, early fifth. His arm and anticipation and his height hold me back from grading him any higher.”
Nagy: “I see the Minshew comp too. Not only the player — he is — but also the senior year, coming out of nowhere, too.”
Dengler: “This guy came from a small school, but at least he’s put up consistent numbers. Gardner really didn’t do that. This guy has made a big jump but he put up huge numbers at Houston Baptist, too.”
Nagy: “I haven’t seen him throw live. The arm is good enough?”
“Good enough,” says Ryan Jones, who spent 16 years as a scout for the New York Giants. “Just good enough. This guy really knows the system. He distributes the ball really well. He relies on timing a lot. He’s a throw-first guy, but he can move the chains with his feet. He’s a fourth-round guy. He wouldn’t embarrass himself at the Senior Bowl but his deficiencies would show up — lack of arm strength. But I tell you what: If you put the guy in there at that drive at the end, he’ll find a way to move the chains.”
Nagy: “I kinda feel like if we brought him, he’s the kind of guy who might win MVP of the game. Has some gamer to him.”
Jones: “Yes. He has moxie. Some poise.”
Nagy: “The other thing that puts him over the edge with him is talking to his coordinator. They say he’s like genius-level football. So I anticipate the process being really good for him, once he gets with coaches. There are gonna be quarterback coaches wanting this guy in their room.”
Fresno State’s Jake Haener (via Washington) is listed right below Zappe, who, like Zappe, has risen up the Senior Bowl’s board as an undersized quarterback.
“I loved the kid,” says West Coast-based Brian Zeches, a second-generation NFL scout who had spent eight years working in the league. “You see him against UCLA. He’s getting the shit knocked out of him. He’s hanging in there. He takes them down to win the game. He’s a little guy. There is some scuttlebutt that he might come back for another year. I don’t think he has the arm strength to go in the third or fourth round, but he’s definitely a guy that is fun to watch. He’s a dang good football player.”
In the report Zeches wrote for Nagy, he describes Haener as “a rich man’s
Taylor Heinicke,” referencing the former Old Dominion QB who has started six games this season for Washington, a franchise the scout just came from.
“When Heineke was playing well, he was shedding off pressure, getting away from people and making plays. This kid is a playmaker. He will shed off the rush and somehow find the open guy to get a 15-yard play to get them a first down. Watch the end of the UCLA game — that’s perfectly what he is.
“UCLA blitzed him every dang play. He takes heat and slides around a little bit and then puts the ball right on the money. He hangs in there and he is accurate as hell. Watching the San Diego State game — every ball was right friggin’ on the money. Guys don’t have to reach for it. It’s a matter of how much people like him.”
Nagy: “Those are two really good traits that you’re hitting on — throwing under duress throws and accuracy. When you watch college quarterbacks, you rarely see them making under duress, NFL-type throws and complete the ball accurately. Like Andy said about Zappe, there’s so many pitch-and-catch offenses now where it’s just easy. To me, this guy makes real NFL throws.”
Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker, at 6-foot-4 and 218 pounds, has better size than both of the quarterbacks listed above him on the Senior Bowl’s board. His height isn’t an issue but his play in 2020 at VirginiaTech was underwhelming (nine touchdowns, five interceptions).
“I never thought he’d be a guy for us based off how he played for Tech in the past,” Nagy tells the group, “but man, he’s cleaned up a lot. At the game in Tuscaloosa? He handled that environment real well. He’s got a live arm in pregame. He can really get it out there.
“The guys I talked to at Tennessee — it was all positive stuff: good kid, good family. He’s taken leadership of that team. He wasn’t even the starter coming into the year. It was Joe Milton from Michigan. Hooker (21 touchdown passes, two interceptions) ended up beating out Milton, and that offense looks totally different with him in there. He will be in the mix.”
Running backs
Last year, the Senior Bowl had a stacked group at running back, led by first-rounder Najee Harris, but there is another stud from Alabama to headline this year’s crop.
“Brian Robinson Jr. is a no-brainer for me,” Nagy says. “He’s really stepped up. Two years ago people in that building said he was better than Najee. Local kid. He’s run hungry all year. Powerful, hard-running guy. Violent runner. He is what the league wants now: that big, 225-pound guy.
And he’s got legit juice. He’s not a 1-speed big back.
“He’s the only guy we have at that priority level.”
Under-the-radar backs have shined in the NFL in recent years.
Aaron Jones (UTEP),
Devin Singletary (FAU) and
James Robinson (FCS Illinois State), who ran for over 1000 yards as a rookie in 2020 and made the NFL’s top 100 players, have emerged as the kinds of talent scouts are always digging for. One of those off-the-grid backs who is a hot topic on the Zoom is FIU’s D’vonte Price, though aside from running for 165 yards on five carries in the season-opener against Long Island University, he’s put up relatively modest stats in 2021.
“He’s a great-looking kid,” Dengler says. “Big thighs. One thing about him is, he gets no help. His O-line is bad. It’s a bad-looking crew up front. He really caught the ball out of the backfield in warmups. I liked his movement skills. The problem is, he’s just getting no open real estate this year. I like the make-up of this kid. He was dialed in.”
In 2020, the 6-foot-2, 225-pound Price had four 100-yard rushing performances in the Panthers’ five games.
“I was watching him over the summer,” Nagy says. “This guy has a pull-away gear for a big back.”
Another longtime former Jaguars scout, Mark Ellenz, Jacksonville’s old director of college scouting, evaluated Price. “The O-Line sucks,” he says. “But he’s big and athletic with leg drive and balance. I like his vision; (he) has burst through the hole; (he) has top-end speed. I think his ball skills are above average. He is a willing pass protector. He just needs to be more consistent with his anchor, but (he) has physical tools to be a starter in the league.”
Nagy: “This guy would be a four-down player. Has the size and speed to cover on (special) teams. I think he’s a cool player. You don’t hear a lot of buzz about the guy. But everybody (in the NFL scouting community) wants to see this guy in the game.”
The other small school back that has sparked a lot of interest among the Senior Bowl scouts comes from the same conference (the Missouri Valley Conference) as Robinson: South Dakota State’s Pierre Strong. But there seems to be some skepticism about Strong too.
“I talked to an area scout who thought he was more of a free agent,” says one of the scouts after Nagy brings up Strong.
“I think the guy is a good back, based on what I’ve seen in terms of patience, feel, vision,” Nagy responds. “I think his tape is good. We liked James Robinson but we got bad feedback from the league: ‘Nah, he’s more of a PFA (priority free agent), which is what he ended up being, but I think this guy is a better player than James Robinson. I think he’s the most natural running back in this class out of all the seniors.”
Fullbacks and tight ends
Nagy navigates the group through all the QB and running backs before the staff takes its first “pee break,” about 90 minutes into discussions. Fifteens minutes later, it’s time to move on to other positions. One of the players who generates some of the most effusive praise of the morning is Baylor’s Abram Smith.
“This is my sleeper,” announces Steve Kazor, the most senior staffer digitally present, and someone who has spent 50 years working in football, the last 30 in the NFL. Kazor spent the past 14 years on the Rams’ staff where he scouted around three dozen free agent players who ended up making the active roster. Kazor has been everywhere and seems to know everyone in football. He was the special teams coach on the 1985 Chicago Bears Super Bowl team. He was also the guy who helped Hal Mumme get his first college head coaching job at Iowa Wesleyan, which helped launch the Air Raid offense.
Kazor has been tracking Abram Smith “for a lot of years,” he says. “He ran for 5,000 yards in Abilene. He played running back the first year at Baylor. Then they had some injuries and (they) asked him to play linebacker and he started there for two years. Had eight tackles in the Big 12 championship game. You older guys might remember this name — this guy reminds me of (former Giants RB) Ottis Anderson.
“He just doesn’t go down. He’s 5-11, 217. Tough guy, really smart. Picked up the playbook really fast, they told me. Very patient runner. Doesn’t have a lot of juke in space. Really good hip explosion in pass protection. Great family. I put in my notes: They’re 7-1 now but without him, they’re probably 4-4. You might even play him at linebacker for a couple of days at the Senior Bowl.”
Nagy: “That’s what I’m saying. He’s a true three-way player. The
Seahawks are playing with
Nick Bellore. He’s been to the Pro Bowl as a fullback but he also played a linebacker, which is what he was at CMU. He was also an ace special teams player. They say this dude is an absolute badass; nobody messes with him. (He’s a) tone-setter for the program. A guy you want in your locker room. Holds other kids accountable. He hit 20-something on the GPS. I think he’ll test fine.”
The other X-factor player the scouts gush about is the son of former Pitt legend Craig “Ironhead” Heyward, Michigan State’s Connor Heyward, a former running back.
Dengler: “He’s a tough matchup. You underestimate this guy. He’s kinda fleshy on the hoof but he really catches the ball. He’s got some really good instincts. The eyeball test is not gonna be good, but everything else is. His issue: Is he gonna have enough length in pass protection on the edge? I like the make-up of this guy; the more you see, the more you like. I think he’s late fifth-round pick.”
Ellens: “He is not a pretty body. But then in the game he made a couple of really nice catches. You look at him and think there’s no way he can run, but he can run a little bit.”
Nagy: “You get to this time of the year, as we all know, and backs start dropping like flies. This guy might have some running back flexibility in a pinch if you start hemorrhaging running backs. He might be able to do it. He’s done it; he’s a pretty good athlete. I think he’s kind of a cool player.”
Wide Receivers
The receiver group also appears less than robust compared to recent years, but beyond a few touted underclassmen there are several players who have emerged as breakout guys.
Rutgers’ Bo Melton does not rank among the Big Ten’s top 10 receivers, but the former high school track star seems to have ideal timing in the NFL’s eyes.
“This guy is held back by the helmet sticker,” says Ryan Jones. “He’s a four-year starter. He didn’t even tap into really playing until the new staff got there. They get him the ball now. He returns kicks. He’ll interview well down here. Remember (former Penn State WR-KR)
KJ Hamler? He’s a little lesser an athlete than Hamler; but has big play ability.”
Dengler: “He looked better on the hoof than I thought he would.”
Nagy: “I like him with the ball in his hands and that’s a real transferrable skill the league’s looking for that. I’m not saying he’s
Deebo Samuel.”
Cincinnati’s Alec Pierce, listed at 6-foot-3 and 213 pounds, is another prospect whose stock has taken off because of his intriguing athleticism.
“He’s got a volleyball and track background,” says Dengler. “They moved him to linebacker in the spring of his freshman year. He’s muscled up now. He looks like a SAM linebacker. He’s gonna test off the charts; he will have a few concentration drops. He’s got an innate ability to drive back to the ball; I just like the make-up of this kid. I think in the end he might go late in the second.”
Kazor: “He took over the Notre Dame game. Good blocker too. He was feisty and got a little nasty in him. They even use him in motion like the Rams do to block the backside end.”
Bearcats’ Alec Pierce is getting a lot of love. Photo: Katie Stratman / USA Today
Offensive Line
To Nagy, the Senior Bowl helps offensive linemen more than it helps any other position. It certainly did that last winter for
Quinn Meinerz, a Division III player from Wisconsin-Whitewater who was drafted by the
Denver Broncos as a top 100 pick. According to Nagy, one “huge riser” on their board this year is Chattanooga lineman Cole Strange.
“Cole Strange frigging kills people,” he tells the group. “He’s old school. No gloves. No shit on his arms. Got the old school cross-bar face mask. When I put on that Kentucky game, I was like holy shit! He’s getting a ton of love, as he should. He’s a really good player.”
Northwestern center Sam Gerak, whose father, John, played five seasons in the NFL, is rising on their board. “He’s not gonna pass the eyeball test for some people,” says Ellenz. “He’ll be in the 295 (pound) range, but he’s really high character kid. He’s taken the MCATs already. (He’s) gonna be a doctor … from a really good family, super intelligent.
“Might have some issues with big noses over the top of him but I watched in the Michigan game: A few times he got shoved back by the O but he’s able to reset. He is quick and engages well. He can really move laterally and help the guards. He runs well and is efficient in space. I think this guy can be a starting center. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a guard.
“Against Duke, they picked off a ball and he ran down the DB across the field and pushed him out of bounds and I think he hurt his shoulder and they sat him out a game.”
The flip side of the banter kicks in when another more prominent O-line prospect’s name comes up.
“He’ll be overhyped,” says one of the scouts. “Just an adequate athlete. Doesn’t have a lot of lower body strength. I don’t see natural strength with this guy.”
Nagy: “He’s got a couple of agents living in his ear. I don’t know why this guy would leave school. It doesn’t make any sense to me.”
Regardless of position, a favorite game scouts at all levels play is seeking a comp. Maybe it’s more about confirmation bias, but it helps trying to asses how a guy fits (or doesn’t) in a system or in a style of play that may be in vogue. In the Senior Bowl discussions it also can factor into how they think certain players may handle a very different environment from what they’re used to competing in.
Two years ago, Nagy was reluctant to invite
Trey Pipkins, an offensive tackle from NAIA Sioux Falls. “We thought he’d get exposed here,” Nagy later says. “He probably would’ve had his lunch eaten here that week.” Instead, the 6-foot-6, 309-pound Pipkins flew largely underneath the scouting radar and ended up being picked in the third round by the
Chargers. Nagy views North Dakota’s Matt Waletzko as a similar prospect.
“He’s really raw but is much further along than Pipkins was,” he says. “He’s still strength deficient, but he is 6-7, 301 pounds, with 36-inch arms. He can really bend. He comes out of his stance low. He’s light on his feet.”
That type of length with those kinds of tools makes Waletzko a compelling project. Nagy has been impressed by the improvement he’s seen on film from last year where he was on the ground too often. He put the FCS O-lineman on their cutline and tried to vet him out through the feedback he got after the meeting from his sources around the NFL. Turns out, Waletzko’s got a lot of fans in the league.
“He’s nine for nine on the calls I’ve had with the teams,” Nagy says.
Defensive line
The briefest discussion on a player in the two days surrounded arguably the biggest guy on the board: Georgia defensive tackle Jordan Davis.
“He’s as good as player as I’ve seen in this class,” Nagy says. “I don’t think we need to belabor the point. He’s playing more consistently this year. He’s a dominant player.”
The one-time three-star recruit has blossomed into an All-American in Athens. His stock is so high and the hype has swelled so much —Davis is getting Heisman buzz — that there’s a hint of concern that he might’ve played his way out of the Senior Bowl. Does he have anything more to prove to NFL teams?
Two years ago
Javon Kinlaw came to Mobile and had an impressive week and became the No. 14 overall player taken. Another very hyped SEC defensive lineman,
Raekwon Davis from Alabama, backed out of the game right before he was supposed to arrive and he lasted until the No. 56 pick.
It also probably won’t hurt with Davis that it’ll feel like half the guys playing that week in Mobile will come from Kirby Smart’s program.
Like Davis, Phil Mathis was overshadowed coming out of high school by other D-linemen, like Texas’
Marvin Wilson and Georgia’s Aubrey Solomon, two five-star D-tackles in that 2017 class. Mathis, though, has also seen his stock rocket up in 2021. Mathis had 1.5 sacks in his first three seasons combined but has 5.5 this year. Nagy saw him as an early Day 3 talent before this year but not anymore. The 6-foot-4, 320-pound Mathis has made a huge jump.
“I really like this guy,” says Kazor. “I watched him at Texas A&M. He’s a really physical guy, athletic, explosive. The thing that really impressed me is he has that hip snap. When he takes on double teams, he doesn’t get moved at all. He stalemates double-teams very easily and can penetrate. I’ve watched four games on him. One live. His patience and accelerations on his twists are dynamic.
“I’ve seen him play everything: nose, at 3, a shade and a 4i. He comes off the ball very easily and he creates a new line of scrimmage. I liked his motor and his re-direction. He’s more of a power guy than a twitch guy and he has really good hands. They had him at 312 (pounds). I said if he’s 312, I’m 165.”
The film is good. Getting to eyeball Mathis up close in person, as Nagy has this year, paints an even better picture.
“We’ve all seen this dude during pregame; he is wired up, lathered up and ready to go,” he says. “It’s pretty cool to see.”
Gauging want-do and commitment often can be a vexing thing. Maturity sometimes plays a big part. With huge D-linemen, these issues can be the difference between a dominant force and a dud who can’t make it out of training camp.
Kentucky’s Marquan McCall doesn’t get the publicity that Davis or Mathis have gotten but scouts love the Detroit native’s potential.“This is a big, explosive man with some real talent,” Nagy says.
Listed by the Wildcats as 6-foot-3 and 379 pounds, McCall is thought to have much more upside than a Wildcat D-linemen who went in the late rounds of the 2020 NFL Draft. However, an ankle injury at midseason sidelined him for about a month, and NFL scouts are watching closely to see what kind of shape he is in when he returns.
“His biggest problem is that he’s an inconsistent worker and has trouble controlling his weight,” Dengler says. “He has burst and can spin off blocks. Not always locked in. He’s gotta be 350, 355. Can he control his weight? So he’s not always yo-yoing. This is the first year he’s finally figured it out — how to prepare, how to train. It’ll be interesting to see what he looks like when he comes back from his injury. What has he been doing in the down time? That’ll be a big indicator for me how he plays if he does come back later in the season from a conditioning standpoint.”
Western Kentucky’s DeAngelo Malone, the 2019 Conference USA defensive player of the year, has a different kind of weight issue. Before last season with of the uncertainty stemming from the pandemic, WKU shut everything down and Malone returned home to Atlanta. The defensive end the coaches hoped could work his way up to 230 pounds lost weight instead. He came back to campus at 209.
The scouts love how fluid Malone can move, how he can drop into coverage, his open hips and his burst.
“He’s on the come too,” says Dengler. “He just dropped a ton of weight last year. But he just moves so easy, Jimmy. He just brings a ton of versatility. You can move him around and I like the make-up of this player.”
“When I worked in Seattle (with the Seahawks) we would’ve loved this guy,” Nagy says. “In Seattle, he would’ve been the ideal SAM for us.”
Jones said Malone was up to 237 pounds when WKU played at Army in mid-September, and that he was also very sound in terms of alignment and assignment against the Black Knights system.
Malone reminds Nagy a little of Bruce Irvin, a former Seahawks first-rounder (No. 15 in 2012). Jones said he evaluated Irvin when he was coming out of West Virginia: “This guy’s got some of Bruce Irvin but he’s taller than Bruce and longer.”
Dengler: “This guy is a better dropper and brings more positionally.”
Perhaps the most interesting discussion about a D-lineman happens about an hour into the position. It surrounds a former hyped high school recruit who was more productive in 2020 than he has been this year.
“With this guy, we’re gonna have to weed through some stuff,” says Nagy. Staff at the player’s program have called the player “a cancer,” he adds.
“We made some calls. They want him gone. They don’t want him back. When a staff calls a kid a cancer, schools don’t usually throw that around. This guy has future starter talent, right? Someone may take a shot at him late. If it’s getting around that this guy is a “cancer,” does that drop him out of the draft or are we doing them a solid to bring him here to see how big of a turd is he? Thoughts?”
“I think you’d be helping out the NFL to investigate this guy a little more,” replies one of the scouts.
“If he’s that big of a turd, do we want to reward the kid?”
That conversation will have to continue.
Quay Walker (middle) and the Georgia D remind scouts of the golden defenses of Miami in the early 2000s. Photo: Dale Zanine / USA Today
Linebackers
The closest thing to a certainty in the 2021 college football season has been the dominance of the Georgia defense. One of the best windows into what makes this Dawgs defense so special comes midway through the second day’s eight-hour session. Former five-star recruit Nakobe Dean may be the guy college football media raves about most, but the love fest from the Senior Bowl folks about Channing Tindall and Quay Walker is eye-opening.
“These next two guys are Georgia players and they speak to why that defense is so dang good,” Nagy begins. “They weren’t starters last year.”
Walker is a 245-pounder with an 80-plus inch wingspan. “He looks good on tape,” Nagy says, “but holy shit, when you get up on him in pregame this guy is a friggin dude. We’ve watched him a lot.”
Ellenz: “He’s a starting inside linebacker. He’s big, athletic and fast. Very good laterally; will physically take on blocks; has speed to close. Not sure how instinctive he is. Will take false steps. But he’s too big and fast and athletic to not go Day Two.”
Another scout points out that Walker was a high school defensive end and is still learning the inside backer position. “He is a bad mismatch for backs that try to pick him,” says Kazor.
A fourth scout said that the 2019 tape of Walker showed him often over pursuing and gave him concern about his instincts. Last year, he didn’t play with his hands much, but now, the scout says, Walker’s slowed down and reading guards better and using his hands a lot better, and while Dean is rushing the passer, they’ve got Walker locking up tight ends in coverage. “No one is gonna bully him at tight end.”
Nagy has an additional good source on all things Georgia. One of his younger scouts, Matt Kelly, volunteered on the Bulldogs recruiting staff a few years ago. The 28-year-old Kelly is an Air Force Academy alum, a former student linebackers coach for the
Falcons, and later slept on a buddy’s coach for a year to help out on Kirby Smart’s staff.
“All he wants to do is scout the NFL,” Nagy says. “He’s very smart, detailed and very organized. He’s wired perfectly and so resourceful. He’s made himself invaluable here.”
Kelly’s feedback on Walker: “Quay is a super quiet kid. We just to joke that if there was one guy on the team that we didn’t want to get hit by, it’s Quay Walker.”
Nagy circles back to his take on
Bobby Wagner coming out of Utah State a decade ago. “I was way off on him,” he says of the linebacker, who has been a six-time first-team All Pro. “I struggled on Bobby’s instincts and hammered him too hard. But Bobby ran 4.48. It didn’t matter if he’d been a tick slow processing it, he got there. I think this guy similar. There’s some range stuff that is really impressive.”
Tindall is “a dark alley guy,” according to one of the scouts, as in he’s the guy you’d want by your side if you had to walk down a dark alley. “He’s probably gonna run faster than Quay. He’s not as tall but still big. 235 pounds.”
Ellenz: “My top MIKE linebacker. Good athlete. Very explosive. Goes sideline to sideline. Strikes with force; can uncoil into blocks; can run with the tight end vertically and with backs coming out of the backfield. Second round is his floor. He will blow up with the combine. Has MIKE /WILL flex. This dude can roll and he crushes dudes.”
Nagy: “I love this defense.”
Ellenz: “Their defense rivals the Miami early 2000 crews.”
Nagy: “Some of those Alabama teams might have more first round picks but this crew is so hungry. They rotate everyone except the safeties. Even the corners come off the field. When they get on the field, it’s like a coach’s dream. They play their asses off. Every kid flies around. It’s special.”
Nagy closes with something UGA assistant Will Muschamp told him. “His tone of voice was interesting. He said if you saw our Tuesday post-practice run period, we could charge admission. He called it a blood letting.”
Another linebacker favorite of the scouts albeit a player far more out of the spotlight of the college football media is Wyoming’s Chad Muma. A former safety, Muma is listed at 6-foot-3, 227 pounds, although Zeches, the West Coast scout, said he looks bigger.
“I freakin’ love this guy,” Zeches says. The caliber of tackling in college football is really suspect in Zeches’ eyes, and that’s part of why he’s so high on Muma. “He plays big and stout. Has some burst and acceraleation; plays with good instincts. Laterally, he’s pretty good. I liked the
Logan Wilson kid that Cincinnati took (third round in 2020); I like this kid better. And that’s a compliment, not a knock on Logan.”
Ellenz saw Muma play live at Northern Illinois and says the
Cowboys head coach came up to him and told him this guy is off the charts regarding his intangibles. They also said he was 240. “This kid runs people down. He’s fast. He’s chasing down wide receivers. He’s got a little more length than that kid. He’s taller, longer.”
Off of 2020 tape, Nagy said he liked Wilson a little better, but basing it off Muma’s film from this season, he’s not so sure.
“I reached out to Logan about him,” Nagy says. “He told me the minute this kid showed up on campus he knew how to work. He was all about football. He said he’s gonna test off the charts. There are not a lot of holes in this kid. I think Logan’s success will actually help this kid. Logan went in the third, and he’s playing well. Teams will say we waited too long on the other guy.”
One other non-Power 5 defensive player the staff likes but doesn’t love as a prospect illustrates the balancing act with Nagy’s job. NFL teams seem to be higher on the player than they are. Nagy doesn’t think the guy is a natural defensive player, and that he misses too many tackles.
“But,” he says, “if the league wants to see him, we’ll invite him. This isn’t our roster. It’s for them. They say he would go on Day Two but I don’t see that.”
Defensive backs
As deep as the defensive line crop is, the secondary is just as thin. “This safety class flat out stinks,” says Nagy.
There are some hyped prospects at big programs who have been disappointing upon further review. Among them a corner with ideal measurables but falls apart on film. One of the scout observes that the guy “looks the part” and is a really good athlete but that he doesn’t like his competitiveness.
Nagy is more blunt: “I think he’s fool’s gold. You put on the tape. I think the guy stinks.”
A third scout who has watched the player at practice and had been impressed with his athleticism has come away underwhelmed studying him in games. “You just don’t see the explosiveness,” he says. “He’s playing to protect himself, especially this year.”
Nagy: “He’s gonna protect himself into the seventh round.”
Among the
wow prospects at corner are two Group of 5 players. There is UTSA’s Tariq Woolen, who measured at 6-foot-3 1/2 and 206 pounds with 33 1/4 inch arms, and there is Marcus Jones from Houston. Kazor was tipped off on Woolen three years ago by the Rams D-line coach, who had coached at UTSA.
“The Woolen kid’s gonna run low 4.3s,” says Nagy. “He hits 23 (MPH) consistently on the GPS. I’ve had GMs reach out to make sure we’re gonna bring this guy. He has rare, rare tools. Physical guy who will strike you. They’ve cleaned him up in the offseason and he knows what to look at, too. Ascending player.”
Nagy on Jones: “That guy is a damn baller, man. Better athlete than I thought he was. Dude has true nickel movement—burst, change of direction, closing. Physical. Can play outside/inside. Is gonna be a hell of a return guy. Has seven total touchdowns. He is a slam dunk for our game. Gives us flexibility at wideout. I asked the coaches about that. They said he would love it if we tapped him on the shoulder to go play some wideout.”
Jones had a walk-off kick return for touchdown to win a game in the last minute for Houston.
“From my
Patriots background, I’ve seen a lot of shorter cornerbacks excel in the NFL,” says Nagy. “I don’t think he’s getting out of Day Two.”
One of the last prospect discussed wasn’t anywhere near their board a few months ago, which actually isn’t that uncommon for the Senior Bowl. Last year’s game featured 16 players who weren’t even on the Senior Bowl’s preseason watch list.
“We start fresh in the fall,” Nagy says. “We’re prepared for one-year wonders. A lot of it now is because of the transfer portal. Kinda like this kid at Washington State.”
The kid, Jaylen Watson, is an Augusta, Ga. native who ended up in the Pac-12 after going to California’s Ventura College. He signed with USC in 2019 but never enrolled, and then played four games at Washington State in 2020. At almost 6-foot-2 and 188 pounds with a 32 1/4-inch arms, his length is attractive.
“He looks big as hell on tape, bigger than those measurables say,” Nagy says. “He’s getting some Day Two love in the league. He kind of came out of nowhere. I reached out to a buddy of mine on their staff and he really likes the kid. Really intriguing dude.”
The evaluation process with Watson and the rest of the board will continue. But the Zoom is over at 5:12 p.m. CT.
“Over eight hours with just one pee break,” Nagy says triumphantly to his staff. “I feel good with where we’re at. I hope the last couple of days have been fun talking about football. I want to get these guys right. I want have at least three or four sets of eyeballs on each guy and make sure we have the right guys. I think it’s time to go eat a cheeseburger.”
The next phase of the Senior Bowl process is to conduct formal calls with half the league to make sure they’re onto the right guys. Of course, there’s always gonna be some wild cards. Last year, Nagy had a priority grade on an Illinois cornerback named
Nate Hobbs. When Nagy did his calls with the NFL teams, though, nobody seemed interested. They had a PFA grade on him.
When the draft came around the
Raiders picked him in the fifth round and now the guy is starting for them. “There could be a little bit of sandbagging if they think they’re in a sleeper,” he concedes. But the approach is to not invite anyone they don’t want to see.
“I’m not gonna let my ego get in the way. The game isn’t for me. It’s for them. These guys know that we’re doing it for them.”