2021 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[boozeman]

 

[boozeman]

 

[Smitty]

Schultz is fine, he could probably put up some inflated stats with our WRs drawing coverage to the tune of about 700 yards/5 TD's, but Pitts is just a different kind of guy.

Yeah, they are “fine.” But that shouldn’t stop you from grabbing elite talent.

Its all moot because they are locked in on corner or otherwise best available defender at 10. They will draft need no matter what. They took a WR last year and called it BPA, they cannot sell that again.

 

[Smitty]

Sure. But when is it overkill? Pitts would be our 5th option on offense after Cooper, Lamb, Gallup, and Zeke.

We would not be getting the return for our investment. Put Pitts in an offense that will focus on him, and I could see him blow up. Put him in our offense, and I see him getting around 600 yards and 3-4 TDs in a complimentary role.
while fans scream what a bust he is.

I would not want to spend the 10th overall pick on somebody that would be an afterthought in our offense. Especially with the massive holes we have on this team, and with deserving players that should be there to fill them. We can not afford this luxury.

It’s not necessarily about numbers, though, but efficiency. There is no doubt he projects to be lethal in the NFL and even more so in our offense with what he’d have around him.

 

[Smitty]

We ran Schultz/Jarwin out there plenty last year and there is no legitimate debate that Pitts projects to be a massive talent upgrade and matchup nightmare compared to them. That is why you do it.

This isn’t the same as drafting a fourth WR in the first round. Modern NFL offenses run 3 WR, 1 TE and 1 RB. There is a starting spot for Pitts here from Day 1.

 

[NoDak]

Feh.

 

[Simpleton]

We ran Schultz/Jarwin out there plenty last year and there is no legitimate debate that Pitts projects to be a massive talent upgrade and matchup nightmare compared to them. That is why you do it.

This isn’t the same as drafting a fourth WR in the first round. Modern NFL offenses run 3 WR, 1 TE and 1 RB. There is a starting spot for Pitts here from Day 1.

This is where I'm at, I get that the marginal upgrade is questionable under most circumstances given our talent at WR and the fact that Schultz definitely has utility, but at the end of the day this is a guy people are ranking 2nd overall. He has contested catch ability that is Fitzgerald-esque, from a TE!

He's the cleanest non-QB evaluation in the draft and you have to go where the talent takes you. Trading down is one thing but if he's there at 10 you kinda have to take him, at this point it's probably 50/50 at the absolute best though.

 

[Smitty]

The bottom line is, if you think there is elite talent, and the next best pick is not elite, and you can put the elite to good use, you take the elite.

This filling holes with quality players concept is hard to accomplish in today’s NFL. The majority of our cap goes to like 8 players. Get 8 elite guys and fill in the rest; I don’t care if it’s Surtain or Awuzie. Your best 8 win the games. Our franchise QB is already not at the head of the line so our other 7 better really be tops at their positions.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Simpleton]

The 49ers have no vested interest in smokescreens given their positioning, the draft basically starts with them and they aren't going to trade down obviously, which makes me think the Jones smoke is real and perhaps even an attempt by the 49ers to get out ahead of any potential backlash from media/fans.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The 49ers have no vested interest in smokescreens given their positioning, the draft basically starts with them and they aren't going to trade down obviously, which makes me think the Jones smoke is real and perhaps even an attempt by the 49ers to get out ahead of any potential backlash from media/fans.

Eh the Jets could pick their guy though.

 

[Simpleton]

Eh the Jets could pick their guy though.

How would floating Mac Jones make a difference to the Jets and influence the pick?

It's not like the Jets have another top 10 pick and would be considering taking Jones, or whoever is supposedly the Jets guy, any later.

The Jets are taking their guy one way or the other or trading down with someone who wants Wilson (which seems very unlikely given the very public Eagles situation).

The only thing it'd do is incentivize a team who loves Jones to trade up to 2 with the Jets, which is a ridiculous scenario in the first place.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

How would floating Mac Jones make a difference to the Jets and influence the pick?

It's not like the Jets have another top 10 pick and would be considering taking Jones, or whoever is supposedly the Jets guy, any later.

The Jets are taking their guy one way or the other or trading down with someone who wants Wilson (which seems very unlikely given the very public Eagles situation).

The only thing it'd do is incentivize a team who loves Jones to trade up to 2 with the Jets, which is a ridiculous scenario in the first place.

If the Jets wanted to draft Mac and force them to trade for him I guess they could. Or whoever the QB the 49ers want is. Sort of happened with Eli.

 

[Simpleton]

If the Jets wanted to draft Mac and force them to trade for him I guess they could. Or whoever the QB the 49ers want is. Sort of happened with Eli.

So the 49ers are theoretically trying to coerce the Jets into flipping picks by pretending like they want Jones, thereby making the Jets more comfortable with moving down and still getting Wilson when nobody believes the Jets are interested in Jones whatsoever?

I'm going to go with the "simple answer is probably right" here and say the Jones/49ers stuff is real.

 

[Genghis Khan]

and you can put the elite to good use,

But that's the entire issue.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

So the 49ers are theoretically trying to coerce the Jets into flipping picks by pretending like they want Jones, thereby making the Jets more comfortable with moving down and still getting Wilson when nobody believes the Jets are interested in Jones whatsoever?

I'm going to go with the "simple answer is probably right" here and say the Jones/49ers stuff is real.

No I'm saying the 49ers don't want the Jets to know who their guy is. But yeah they also might not care if the Jets know.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

But that's the entire issue.

A year from now you can have Gallup and a top 10 talent or Pitts. I want Gallup and a top 10 pick. If you really want Pitts you better deal Gallup now or you're shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Smitty]

But that's the entire issue.

Well, I think we can. If you don’t think we can then that’s a separate issue but I think at a position where he will see starter snaps and present a matchup nightmare, that is good use.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Cisco has a lot of potential, but he needs to cut down on the negative plays.When Syracuse played him at FS, he played well. When they had him play at SS, he was pretty bad.