2023 NFL Draft Chatter Thread...

[Genghis Khan]

 

[boozeman]

Agents only matter for the second contract, not the rookie one.

Unless they do something like change agents, it will matter.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'm among the many who thought Musgrave looked sort of ordinary, for whatever reason.

I was impressed with LaPorta. He's sneaky smooth and athletic.

Yeah Musgrave is a hard no for me, but I hope someone else thinks really highly of him. He didn't stand out at all at the Senior Bowl to me. Honestly Durham looked like a better TE at the Senior Bowl. And please go look at the rankings and see where he should be drafted. Throw on the fact that Musgrave is an injury guy. The fact that Musgrave was backing up less talented TE's in college. I just don't see it. Someone is going to outsmart themselves and take that guy, but of all the TE's I think he is the most likely to be a complete bust. But hey maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

LaPorta, I'll give a Dallas Clark vibe to... Wish he had the chance to play with a QB in college.

 

[shoop]

I am seriously hoping all of the TE talk is smokescreen/ media nonsense. There is a good chance they will take one and there are plenty that are decent but I don’t think they fully know what they have in Ferg/Hendershot. Give them a year or bring in a low draft pick. I’d rather see the draft capital spent on OL or DL.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I am seriously hoping all of the TE talk is smokescreen/ media nonsense. There is a good chance they will take one and there are plenty that are decent but I don’t think they fully know what they have in Ferg/Hendershot. Give them a year or bring in a low draft pick. I’d rather see the draft capital spent on OL or DL.

I mean I think we will take a TE. I'm just not convinced it needs to be in the first round. And I have no problem taking a TE. You use 2 to 3 TE's on offense. And if Hendershot or Ferguson isn't everything you think they can be you have a backup option. Plus this draft is a great TE class. One of the best I can remember in recent history, why not snag a guy? Maybe it's a Brayden Willis on day 3? Or a Latu in round 5. Doesn't have to be a high round guy. Just wait for the value at the position and snag a guy. Maybe it's even a Will Mallory or Durham.

Of course if you get one in the second I'm a big LaPorta and Tucker Kraft fan. I think both guys could be excellent players. And I wouldn't be shocked if their careers are better then one of the guys you see go in the first. I know some really love Whyle as well but I'll need to go back and watch him. Bruglar has a guy like that going in the fifth round but I think some really love his ability.

 

[boozeman]

Watch all of us get sucked by all this TE talk and they don't take one, reminding us after the draft how much they like their guys.

The chatter has been so loud that you almost expect it and the fun part would be to grade which one they get.

I realize people are talking up the depth of this class, but when you have a guy like Meyer at the top of them all, is it that great?

 

[Simpleton]

Watch all of us get sucked by all this TE talk and they don't take one, reminding us after the draft how much they like their guys.

The chatter has been so loud that you almost expect it and the fun part would be to grade which one they get.

I realize people are talking up the depth of this class, but when you have a guy like Meyer at the top of them all, is it that great?

Part of it is that it's a weak class overall but part of it is that there's lots of high floor guys who you can reasonably project as starters. I don't think anybody would argue that there are 2-3 HOF caliber TE's in this class, you just have a bunch of guys who are probable starters down into the 3rd round even, which is obviously unusual.

And Mayer is a very legit prospect, I think he's equal to Hockenson who went top 10. That was a bit of a reach to begin with, prospects like that should go somewhere in the middle of the round in my opinion, but that's still really good value if we're talking 26th overall.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

For some reason Mayer reminds be a little of Heath Miller. I remember that draft where he was considered a good prospect but wasn't flashy, only ran a 4.8 or whatever, kind of just a big, old-school all-around TE, and so he fell to the GD Steelers in the late 20s or whatever and was a very good, valuable player for them for a long time. There are a lot of subtleties to that position.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

For some reason Mayer reminds be a little of Heath Miller. I remember that draft where he was considered a good prospect but wasn't flashy, only ran a 4.8 or whatever, kind of just a big, old-school all-around TE, and so he fell to the GD Steelers in the late 20s or whatever and was a very good, valuable player for them for a long time. There are a lot of subtleties to that position.

Yeah I can't really put my finger on a good comp for Mayer. He isn't massive like a Gronk, he isn't overly athletic like most of the current elite NFL TEs. That sort of leads you to Witten but Witten was bigger and had more straight line speed to start his career. Mayer just may be his own man. I'm not sure.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah I can't really put my finger on a good comp for Mayer. He isn't massive like a Gronk, he isn't overly athletic like most of the current elite NFL TEs. That sort of leads you to Witten but Witten was bigger and had more straight line speed to start his career. Mayer just may be his own man. I'm not sure.

Hockenson is a solid comparison and while he was overdrafted, you take a guy like that at the end of the first 7 days a week.

Ertz is probably a decent comparison also although Mayer is a better blocker.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Hockenson is a solid comparison and while he was overdrafted, you take a guy like that at the end of the first 7 days a week.

Ertz is probably a decent comparison also although Mayer is a better blocker.

Yeah although Hockenson looked more athletic at accelerating. Which sort of shows in the 10 yard split, verticle and broad jump. Mayer just isn't as athletic.

 

[boozeman]

Part of it is that it's a weak class overall but part of it is that there's lots of high floor guys who you can reasonably project as starters. I don't think anybody would argue that there are 2-3 HOF caliber TE's in this class, you just have a bunch of guys who are probable starters down into the 3rd round even, which is obviously unusual.

And Mayer is a very legit prospect, I think he's equal to Hockenson who went top 10. That was a bit of a reach to begin with, prospects like that should go somewhere in the middle of the round in my opinion, but that's still really good value if we're talking 26th overall.

I think with how things worked out with Hockenson, that might not be the best comparison.

Mayer is a solid prospect. But he provides no more of an explosive dimension than Ferguson could produce if deployed correctly.

If I am taking a TE at 26, I want a monster of some kind. If not, get another guy.

In terms of satisfaction with Mayer at our first, it would be a soft on.

 

[boozeman]

For some reason Mayer reminds be a little of Heath Miller. I remember that draft where he was considered a good prospect but wasn't flashy, only ran a 4.8 or whatever, kind of just a big, old-school all-around TE, and so he fell to the GD Steelers in the late 20s or whatever and was a very good, valuable player for them for a long time. There are a lot of subtleties to that position.

He was drafted at 30 in 2005.

At the end of the day, Miller was an accessory on those teams.

I am not that confident in our firepower on offense that I think adding that kind of guy at our pick is the best route.

If the choice is Mayer or a good OL, it is not even a consideration.

 

[Simpleton]

I think with how things worked out with Hockenson, that might not be the best comparison.

Mayer is a solid prospect. But he provides no more of an explosive dimension than Ferguson could produce if deployed correctly.

If I am taking a TE at 26, I want a monster of some kind. If not, get another guy.

In terms of satisfaction with Mayer at our first, it would be a soft on.

He's still been a really good TE, made 2 Pro Bowls, Detroit just didn't want to pay him.

I get the idea of only going TE if they're a "monster" of some sort, although I think that line of thinking is what kind of led to physical freaks like Engram, Njoku and so forth going high in the first without being polished and then disappointing. TE is arguably the most nuanced position in the league given that it's basically two positions in one and that the majority of the targets guys get are over the middle in soft spots in zones, which requires being able to feel/read coverage and knowing where to settle.

The physical freaks don't always have that because they're used to playing more like WR's.

It's a tough one since the positional value/impact is what it is, but Mayer may also very well be the best prospect on the board/most likely to make a Pro Bowl when we pick. So the question is, would you rather have a guy who is at least an above average starting OG, maybe a borderline Pro Bowler in Avila, or a likely 3-4X Pro Bowl TE in Mayer, but a guy who isn't likely to be a HOF'er?

 

[boozeman]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Like did Stroud just not understand it? I mean this will put this thing to the test.

 

[Simpleton]

Haener, Hall and Tune are all guys I like on day 3.

 

[boozeman]

 

[shoop]

I high one sits the longest? Mauch or Eongo would be my bet.

Side not Mauch is the new babyeater