2023 Draft Big Boards, Position Rankings & Mocks

[Chocolate Lab]

Although Heupel's system is even more extreme I think, specifically due to the splits the WR's take.

For sure.

And I didn't mean to ever judge or compare Hyatt, I haven't even watched him.

 

[Cotton]

Jeremiah's latest...


Pick
26

Keion White - GT (Edge)

 

[Simpleton]

Jeremiah's latest...


Pick
26

Keion White - GT (Edge)

I'd rather take Anudike-Uzomah if we go DL but I won't complain about bolstering the DL as long as it isn't some ridiculous reach.

White reminds me of a souped-up Armstrong, he'd boost our interior pass rush in clear pass rushing situations.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Jeremiah's latest...


Pick
26

Keion White - GT (Edge)

No thank you. I don't hate the player but if I'm taking him at 26 it's got to be a need. Otherwise I can take someone else at a position of need with a similar ranking. Oline, WR, DT, Corner or even TE. We really don't need a late first quality DE. We have DE's with Lawrence, Parsons, Williams and Armstrong. If he was clearly by far the best player available than ok. But he won't be. Now if you're telling me Nolan Smith I might get it. The guy has some dynamic traits. I wouldn't necessarily like it but I'd get it at least if our team watched the film and said this guy is going to be an elite NFL pass rusher/play maker.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It's one thing when someone is as clearly as elite of a prospect as Johnson, it's another when you're kind of splitting hairs to figure out who makes the most sense. I don't think there is much separating Hyatt and Flowers, with Flowers having shown more versatility partly due to the system each played in, so there you go.

I'm not saying never take any players from a certain system, Addison is my favorite WR in the draft and played under Kingsbury last year.

Although Heupel's system is even more extreme I think, specifically due to the splits the WR's take.

Yeah college football takes a lot of projection because of stuff like this. Randy Moss could have played in that Tennessee offense, put up big stats and you shouldn't just write him off because his route tree in the offense wasn't diverse enough. You can also have an elite level talent at receiver or TE get stuck in a college offense that is geared completely around running the ball. They might not have stellar stats but if you watch them they are still a stellar player. You'll see the same thing with a guy like Laporta. Iowa runs the worst offense I think I've seen in college football. Play calling is awful, QB play is awful, O-line was awful and they had almost nothing at WR. Dude still put up stats despite all that. I wonder what he would have done in say Utah's offense.

Another great example we can see because of the transfer portal is Charlie Jones at Purdue. He would have never been drafted out of Iowa. Maxed out at like 300 receiving yards. He goes to Purdue and suddenly you have 1,361 receiving yards. Had he stayed at Iowa, he probably would have had 300 receiving yards again. Not his fault, just played in a shit offense.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah college football takes a lot of projection because of stuff like this. Randy Moss could have played in that Tennessee offense, put up big stats and you shouldn't just write him off because his route tree in the offense wasn't diverse enough. You can also have an elite level talent at receiver or TE get stuck in a college offense that is geared completely around running the ball. They might not have stellar stats but if you watch them they are still a stellar player. You'll see the same thing with a guy like Laporta. Iowa runs the worst offense I think I've seen in college football. Play calling is awful, QB play is awful, O-line was awful and they had almost nothing at WR. Dude still put up stats despite all that. I wonder what he would have done in say Utah's offense.

Another great example we can see because of the transfer portal is Charlie Jones at Purdue. He would have never been drafted out of Iowa. Maxed out at like 300 receiving yards. He goes to Purdue and suddenly you have 1,361 receiving yards. Had he stayed at Iowa, he probably would have had 300 receiving yards again. Not his fault, just played in a shit offense.

I think Flowers was in something of a similar scenario last year at Boston College.

 

[boozeman]

Jeremiah's latest...


Pick
26

Keion White - GT (Edge)

That would be a reach.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think Flowers was in something of a similar scenario last year at Boston College.

Yeah I have no doubt that if he played at Tennessee or Alabama or USC that his numbers would have been higher. Even with that the guy still had over 1000 receiving yards or right around there. Pretty impressive. I actually think he is the all time leader at BC now in terms of receiving yards.

Very impressive kid. And frankly if he was 6' or 6'1" I think he would be a middle first round receiver. Unfortunately he is 5'10" 170 pounds. But in the grand scheme I don't know how much a couple inches really matters. But I guess arm length and things also impact that.

 

[Cotton]

 

[shoop]

I liked him better as a QB than Haskins or Fields.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I liked him better as a QB than Haskins or Fields.

I agree with this. I wish the guy the best of luck in the NFL, but he won't be a Cowboy. I think Hendon Hooker throws a really pretty ball too. But in the end sometimes these guys develop. And sometimes they fall to pieces in the NFL. We won't trade up for Stroud and we won't be in position to draft him so I won't spend much time looking at him or what he can do. Now you want to talk Hooker, Haener, McKee and Duggan, those guys are worth talking about. And honestly while not viewed as "franchise" type QBs I think those dudes have the skills for the NFL. Haener is actually one that has really grown on me. I questioned him a lot at first.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Simpleton]

Great, everybody thinks they're getting the next Josh Allen when they're really just getting a souped up Malik Willis.

I'm sure Hurts' success is part of this but in reality his success was more a byproduct of the roster around him and the coaches being willing to ride him as a runner until the wheels fall off, as opposed to him being the catalyst of the success.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Why? So they can draft a turnover prone athlete who can’t throw the ball or read defenses?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Great, everybody thinks they're getting the next Josh Allen when they're really just getting a souped up Malik Willis.

I'm sure Hurts' success is part of this but in reality his success was more a byproduct of the roster around him and the coaches being willing to ride him as a runner until the wheels fall off, as opposed to him being the catalyst of the success.

That or like Willis it's a lot of hype and little substance. Willis was supposed to go in the first round too. He went in what, the third round? I'll buy this hype on Richardson when I see him drafted in the top ten. My guess is it's a bunch of bullshit. A team will reach on him for sure but that's because in my opinion he is like a third round talent. No way the guy should even go top 31 although he probably will do that.

 

[Simpleton]

That or like Willis it's a lot of hype and little substance. Willis was supposed to go in the first round too. He went in what, the third round? I'll buy this hype on Richardson when I see him drafted in the top ten. My guess is it's a bunch of bullshit. A team will reach on him for sure but that's because in my opinion he is like a third round talent. No way the guy should even go top 31 although he probably will do that.

He's much bigger than Willis so I think he'll go in the first, combine that with the "success" that Hurts had and I think it's likely he goes top 15 just because there are so many teams desperate for a QB.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He's much bigger than Willis so I think he'll go in the first, combine that with the "success" that Hurts had and I think it's likely he goes top 15 just because there are so many teams desperate for a QB.

I have a hard time seeing him go top 15 but I'm all for it. The more players gone before 26 that I don't want to draft at 26, all the better. He was a really bad passer in college football though. This idea that he is like Josh Allen is a bit crazy. He makes Josh Allen's college tape look like an accurate passer.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

That or like Willis it's a lot of hype and little substance. Willis was supposed to go in the first round too. He went in what, the third round? I'll buy this hype on Richardson when I see him drafted in the top ten. My guess is it's a bunch of bullshit. A team will reach on him for sure but that's because in my opinion he is like a third round talent. No way the guy should even go top 31 although he probably will do that.

I was sitting next to his family during the draft. They were all convinced that he was going to the Steelers.

 

[boozeman]

I was sitting next to his family during the draft. They were all convinced that he was going to the Steelers.

Cool story...I would like to hear more.

I do recall Tomlin was all over his ass at the workouts.

Back to the discussion, I think there is a big difference between Willis and Richardson.

Like Richardson is on a completely different platform as an athlete.

 

[boozeman]

He's much bigger than Willis so I think he'll go in the first, combine that with the "success" that Hurts had and I think it's likely he goes top 15 just because there are so many teams desperate for a QB.

They are thirsty for certain. But I think there will be a shift in how the position is viewed if this mobile QB craze takes off.

If the push is to get players like Hurts and Fields to be what we used to laugh at with Michael Vick...let's just say that will be fun to watch how many dumb organizations try to follow suit to their own doom.