2022 Season | Week 3 | Gameday Chatter | Cowboys at Giants | 9/25/2022

[Chocolate Lab]

I think we need to figure out why he suddenly looks impressive. Is it all about Noah? Or does Dak figure into this?

No doubt Rush's chemistry and number of practice/preseason reps with him is a real thing. But yeah, how did he suddenly figure it out?

I will say I think it was Brad Sham telling the story that he asked Brown if he was just getting the opportunity this year in carrying a good camp forward, and Brown said not really, I've had good camps before but for some reason it's just translating this year.

 

[Simpleton]

Steele has seemed to do well since he had like 3 false starts in a row against Tampa. I'll have to watch the all-22 at some point to really see but he's always been really good in the run game and so-so in pass protection.

I haven't noticed him sticking out poorly in that regard though so he must be doing decent enough.

 

[Simpleton]

Noah effing Brown. Who would have guessed?

Unbelievable, he's more or less playing just as well as Wilson was last year, seems perfectly fine as a WR3 behind Lamb/Gallup, and then whatever Tolbert can develop into is just icing on top.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I have to say, as much as Booze doubted Dorance Armstrong, he has really come through.

I think part of it is he plays and works hard, and it took a few years for him to develop from that pitiful Kansas program. I also think he's much more a 34 OLB type than the down DE like he had to play in Marinelli's defense. Quinn may technically run a 43 but there are a lot of odd front elements and he's able to move around more.

But besides being a good player on defense, I can't get over the blocked kicks on special teams. In the last year he has a blocked punt (for a TD), a blocked FG, and a TD fumble return on defense. He's just a pretty good all around player. I love that he's not a one-trick pony speed rusher around the edge and nothing else.

 

[Cotton]

Unbelievable, he's more or less playing just as well as Wilson was last year, seems perfectly fine as a WR3 behind Lamb/Gallup, and then whatever Tolbert can develop into is just icing on top.

The question remains, how well does he do when Dak comes back?

 

[Cotton]

 

[Simpleton]

The question remains, how well does he do when Dak comes back?

They were supposedly clicking well during TC so we'll see. The entire offense was completely out of sorts in that first Tampa game (Steele with 3 false starts, nonsensical trick plays on the first drive, fucking up simple bubble screens) and it may have just been a matter of not having their shit together because they literally played 0 live snaps in preseason.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Simpleton]

I think part of it is he plays and works hard, and it took a few years for him to develop from that pitiful Kansas program. I also think he's much more a 34 OLB type than the down DE like he had to play in Marinelli's defense. Quinn may technically run a 43 but there are a lot of odd front elements and he's able to move around more.

But besides being a good player on defense, I can't get over the blocked kicks on special teams. In the last year he has a blocked punt (for a TD), a blocked FG, and a TD fumble return on defense. He's just a pretty good all around player. I love that he's not a one-trick pony speed rusher around the edge and nothing else.

Armstrong makes most of his hay on twists/stunts and extreme hustle. Rarely does he win with pure speed rush off the edge around the corner because he frankly just doesn't have it, but Quinn goes heavy with the games on the DL, looping and such, and that's where Armstrong shines with his motor/pursuit.

He's not a guy that you want as your best or 2nd best edge rushing option, but if you have those spots taken care of like we do he's an awesome complementary piece when you also consider his ability against the run.

It's why I said I didn't mind getting rid of Gregory and keeping him for half the price. Gregory is a much better pure edge rusher but Armstrong is better against the run and more versatile in terms of how he can align (i.e. more as an interior rusher).

 

[boozeman]

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Mauled by not one but two guys. Headscratcher.

 

[Simpleton]

The refs tried hard to get the Giants a quick start out the gate, basically killing our first drive with a so-so call on Farniok, extending their first drive with a so-so call, ignoring a more blatant holding on Brown in the end zone than the one they called on Barr to extend the first Giants drive, and then extended the first Giants drive of the second half with another very soft call.

Beyond that it evened out, although mostly due to questionable calls on both sides, but they were really trying to get the Giants off on the right foot early on.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think we need to figure out why he suddenly looks impressive. Is it all about Noah? Or does Dak figure into this?

I think it is a combination of opportunities and coverages. It also helps that Rush has been working with him heavily for years. The last thing is Brown is down like 20 pounds. He went from a borderline TE to a WR.

 

[Simpleton]

Against Tampa I'm fairly sure that Wilson was playing deeper at safety with Kearse more in the box, but over these last two games with Kearse out Hooker has been the deep/centerfield type safety with Wilson more involved in the box.

In that role he's been a missile, blowing up WR's over the middle, pressuring QB's, just generally playing great. He has 1 INT, 2 TFL, 3 QB hits and a sack, plus 2 PD's in just 3 games.

I'm sure Quinn can figure out how to get them in the right spots but I wonder if we aren't better served with Hooker deep, Wilson in the box and Kearse playing as a pseudo-LB.

Either way, I've been saying it for a few weeks, we should be looking hard at trying to extend Wilson for cheap right now because if he keeps playing like this his value is going to soar.

 

[boozeman]

 

[p1_]

just a veritable quote machine.

 

[boozeman]

just a veritable quote machine.

And all of them are awesome, he has yet to say something retarded, which is remarkable.

 

[bbgun]

 

[Cujo]

I'm relishing the QB controversy on the horizon. Can't wait to see how poorly Jerry handles it.

Oh, he'll fuck it up.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Against Tampa I'm fairly sure that Wilson was playing deeper at safety with Kearse more in the box, but over these last two games with Kearse out Hooker has been the deep/centerfield type safety with Wilson more involved in the box.

In that role he's been a missile, blowing up WR's over the middle, pressuring QB's, just generally playing great. He has 1 INT, 2 TFL, 3 QB hits and a sack, plus 2 PD's in just 3 games.

I'm sure Quinn can figure out how to get them in the right spots but I wonder if we aren't better served with Hooker deep, Wilson in the box and Kearse playing as a pseudo-LB.

Either way, I've been saying it for a few weeks, we should be looking hard at trying to extend Wilson for cheap right now because if he keeps playing like this his value is going to soar.

Yeah, Wilson is playing too well to take off the field. I hope Kearse can take LVE's place in a lot of packages.