2021 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[Plan9Misfit]

I'm telling you guys, the CB infatuation amongst fans, which I believe bleeds into the media through Twitter and such, is pretty much pathological.

Like yea, we could use a CB but the situation is nowhere near as dire as DT, or arguably even FS. Hell, I could quite easily argue that DE and LB are right there with CB as well.

Sitting at 10 Surtain makes sense because you could easily argue that he's the best defensive prospect in the draft, but I guarantee you that if we were picking at 17 or 25 or whatever most of the fans and media would still be sitting here talking themselves into Newsome or Asante Samuel Jr. or whoever, as opposed to someone like Jaelan Phillips, Zaven Collins, Azeez Ojulari, and so forth.

I don't think the team is as locked in on CB to the point that they'd trade up for one all the way into the back end of the 1st unless maybe a guy like Farley falls, but we'll see.

I’ve said similar things multiple times. The media is littered with CB whores. We could have used two picks in the first round and two more the second round of the same draft on CBs and Safeties, and the media will literally peg CB as the #1 need heading into the next year’s draft.

Can’t pass protect on O-line? Draft a CB.
Can’t stop the run? Draft a CB.
Can’t rush the passer? Draft a CB.
Can’t run the ball? Draft a CB.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I don't totally disagree but I'll say that I'm more comfortable with Diggs/Brown/Lewis (and Robinson/Canady?) than I am with Kazee coming off an injury and nothing else at FS.

Or obviously DT.

Or even LB where we only have LVE and everyone's favorite gimp with Neal toggling back and forth between LB/SS.

DE and SS are the only positions that I'd clearly put below CB as far as what the depth chart looks like in 2021 but given the relative importance of the DE position I'd definitely take an equally rated DE over an equally rated CB. There just isn't one of those at 10 with the question marks surrounding Phillips and Rousseau.

DT, Corner, safety, LBer are the defensive needs in that order in my opinion. And it's pretty close between corner and safety. Might as well just say secondary.

 

[data]

And in 1990, they tried to trade up for Cortez Kennedy, then tried to trade up for James Francis, before settling for trading up for emmitt.

In a draft where they had already lost their first overall pick (I believe for selecting Walsh in the previous supplemental draft).

Definitely crazy times.

would’ve loved Cortez Kennedy as a Cowboy

 

[bbgun]

 

[Simpleton]

It's 50/50 at best but he'd be one of my top trade up candidates in the 25-30 range.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It's 50/50 at best but he'd be one of my top trade up candidates in the 25-30 range.

Yeah I wouldn't trade up for him. I'm not even sure about his fit.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah I wouldn't trade up for him. I'm not even sure about his fit.

He's 6-4, 260, awesome in coverage and very physical/explosive coming downhill against the run and as a blitzer, so how doesn't he fit?

I'll say this, I think trading down to 20 and taking him would be better value than taking Parsons at 10.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He's 6-4, 260, awesome in coverage and very physical/explosive coming downhill against the run and as a blitzer, so how doesn't he fit?

I'll say this, I think trading down to 20 and taking him would be better value than taking Parsons at 10.

I don't know that 6'4" 260 pounds translates great to coverage in a 4-3. Agility is going to be a big concern. The dude is a DE body playing LBer. Hell he is bigger than some DEs.

 

[Simpleton]

I don't know that 6'4" 260 pounds translates great to coverage in a 4-3. Agility is going to be a big concern. The dude is a DE body playing LBer. Hell he is bigger than some DEs.

LVE measured in at 6-4, 256 at the combine and has been perfectly fine in coverage. I get that 6-4, 260 is DE size but it doesn't mean that there aren't some guys out there who are that size who are really good traditional off-ball LB's.

KJ Wright is 6-4, 250 and is one of the better coverage LB's of this generation.

I've seen Collins listed as an "edge" by some draft people but he's not in the least. He's as much of an edge rusher as Jaylon Smith is, which is to say not at all. He's a pure off-ball LB who can blitz a bit but he's never going to be a guy like DeMarcus Ware who was basically a DE who stood up and dropped into coverage from time to time.

 

[ravidubey]

He's 6-4, 260, awesome in coverage and very physical/explosive coming downhill against the run and as a blitzer, so how doesn't he fit?

I'll say this, I think trading down to 20 and taking him would be better value than taking Parsons at 10.

If not for the maturity buzz, he’d be a lock for a top ten pick. As it is, that and the five QBs have him in the outside looking in.

This guy could impact every run, can cover any TE, plays zone or man, and can rush the passer. He’s aggressive and a leader who steps up to make big plays

As a bonus he told Alabama to fuck off and went to PSU.

There’s no one even close to him in later rounds or on our team.

But no, let’s fucking exhaust the CB depth chart before even considering him.

 

[ravidubey]

I think Newsome is the third best corner. I really like him. But Pitts at 10 means we can't waste picks trading up. We need lots of talent on D.

I hope others think so and that let’s Caleb Farley fall to the second round.

Parsons and Farley would be nice.

I’m hoping Quinn is thinking he could use his own Bobby Wagner.

Jones admitted in 2012 that the team would have drafted Wagner had they not traded their 2nd. Everyone groaned at the thought since we had Lee and Carter in back to back drafts.
Maybe there could be hope for Parsons after all. Especially with the depth at CB in this draft

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I hope others think so and that let’s Caleb Farley fall to the second round.

Parsons and Farley would be nice.

I’m hoping Quinn is thinking he could use his own Bobby Wagner.

Jones admitted in 2012 that the team would have drafted Wagner had they not traded their 2nd. Everyone groaned at the thought since we had Lee and Carter in back to back drafts.
Maybe there could be hope for Parsons after all. Especially with the depth at CB in this draft

I was a huge Farley fan until the neck injury. The neck surgery after a year of sitting admittedly freaks me out. So I don't know where to place him any more.

One of those things you just have to trust your doctors opinions on I guess.

 

[Simpleton]

If not for the maturity buzz, he’d be a lock for a top ten pick. As it is, that and the five QBs have him in the outside looking in.

This guy could impact every run, can cover any TE, plays zone or man, and can rush the passer. He’s aggressive and a leader who steps up to make big plays

As a bonus he told Alabama to fuck off and went to PSU.

There’s no one even close to him in later rounds or on our team.

But no, let’s fucking exhaust the CB depth chart before even considering him.

You basically just described Collins also, they're really quite similar prospects. Parsons has more high end explosiveness/athleticism but Collins is bigger and more refined as far as processing.

 

[ravidubey]

You basically just described Collins also, they're really quite similar prospects. Parsons has more high end explosiveness/athleticism but Collins is bigger and more refined as far as processing.

Collins is prolly even more instinctive than Parsons, but 4.67 vs 4.39 40 yard times tell me Collins won’t project to our defense’s featured Will slot like Parsons can.

I think Collins at 260 fits better in a 3-4 either inside or maybe outside depending on how well his pass rush ability translates. Seems a little on the tweener side. I don’t think much of his coverage skills in college will translate to the NFL.

Collins’ 8.73 RAS score is good, but Parsons at 9.78 out of 10 is a unicorn. Only 48 LBs out of 2103 entering the draft since 1987 have met or exceeded that score.

I feel like Detroit, Carolina, or Denver are going to take him which really sucks. OTOH it could drive a QB or Slater down to us.

 

[shoop]

Collins is prolly even more instinctive than Parsons, but 4.67 vs 4.39 40 yard times tell me Collins won’t project to our defense’s featured Will slot like Parsons can.

I think Collins at 260 fits better in a 3-4 either inside or maybe outside depending on how well his pass rush ability translates. Seems a little on the tweener side. I don’t think much of his coverage skills in college will translate to the NFL.

Collins’ 8.73 RAS score is good, but Parsons at 9.78 out of 10 is a unicorn. Only 48 LBs out of 2103 entering the draft since 1987 have met or exceeded that score.

I feel like Detroit, Carolina, or Denver are going to take him which really sucks. OTOH it could drive a QB or Slater down to us.

I would honestly be surprised if slater doesn’t make it to us.

 

[ravidubey]

I was a huge Farley fan until the neck injury. The neck surgery after a year of sitting admittedly freaks me out. So I don't know where to place him any more.

One of those things you just have to trust your doctors opinions on I guess.

Yeah I actually took him off my list entirely as my initial reaction to his injury. I’ve tried to learn to take a deep breath before jumping the gun more since then. He is a gamble even in round 2 or 3.

If we must go CB at 10, then I really want an instinctive player more and more. Right now that’s probably Horn over Surtain. Neither pops as impact players for me.

I have no doubt we will find good CB value in round two, Farley or no.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

One thing Stephen has said a few times the last several years is that when we were deciding between two basically equal players at different positions, we took the less-deep position first thinking there'd be a good player at the deeper position in the next round. So that might be good news for the first round cb haters.

Also, in that pro day footage, Collins didn't exactly look ripped. He could probably lose 6-7 lbs and gain a little quickness while still being plenty big. Urlacher was okay in a 43 at about that size, as was LVE (as Simp said).

 

[NoDak]

Collins is prolly even more instinctive than Parsons, but 4.67 vs 4.39 40 yard times tell me Collins won’t project to our defense’s featured Will slot like Parsons can.

I think Collins at 260 fits better in a 3-4 either inside or maybe outside depending on how well his pass rush ability translates. Seems a little on the tweener side. I don’t think much of his coverage skills in college will translate to the NFL.

Collins’ 8.73 RAS score is good, but Parsons at 9.78 out of 10 is a unicorn. Only 48 LBs out of 2103 entering the draft since 1987 have met or exceeded that score.

I feel like Detroit, Carolina, or Denver are going to take him which really sucks. OTOH it could drive a QB or Slater down to us.

Parsons will be there when we go on the clock.

He'll still be there when we are off, too.

 

[boozeman]

Parsons will be there when we go on the clock.

He'll still be there when we are off, too.

I sure hope the hell so.

 

[NoDak]

I sure hope the hell so.

He isn’t my first choice, but I’d sure as fuck take him before I’d take Pitts.