2021 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[Cotton]

He’s the second most talented, but not the second most impactful. Not with Sewell on the board

Then he shouldn't be second on your board, if he isn't the 2nd most impactful player on your board.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Then he shouldn't be second on your board, if he isn't the 2nd most impactful player on your board.

That's like saying the second most talented player is a FB, he should be ranked at the top but not be picked until the fourth round. Position does matter to an extent.

 

[Simpleton]

The Bengals could very well take him at 5, although the Spagnola logic of "if he's so good why's he's available" doesn't explain why Lamb was there at 17 and similar situations.

Should we have not taken him because he fell to 17, did that mean he really wasn't the elite prospect almost everyone thought he was?

 

[ravidubey]

Then he shouldn't be second on your board, if he isn't the 2nd most impactful player on your board.

First, Mel is trying to create a stir, like when he briefly listed Nixon 10th overall last month.

Pitts is damned good, and there’s no one else like him at his position, but he’s not going to impact the game like Penei Sewell can. Or Lawrence. Or Fields.

He can’t match a great OT or QB prospect. But it doesn’t change the fact he’s one of the most talented players.

Ditto Parsons despite being crazy talented, as a non pass rushing LB he’s not affecting every play like a QB or OT can. It’s a very similar situation.

 

[Simpleton]

First, Mel is trying to create a stir, like when he briefly listed Nixon 10th overall last month.

Pitts is damned good, and there’s no one else like him at his position, but he’s not going to impact the game like Penei Sewell can. Or Lawrence. Or Fields.

He can’t match a great OT or QB prospect. But it doesn’t change the fact he’s one of the most talented players.

Ditto Parsons despite being crazy talented, as a non pass rushing LB he’s not affecting every play like a QB or OT can. It’s a very similar situation.

A bunch of other draft media types have Pitts either 2nd or 3rd overall so it's not that outlandish, if anything Kiper is a little late to that party.

 

[NoDak]

Alim McNeil is the real fat boy you all should be lusting over, although he certainly won't be there for us in the 4th.

I have been. he's the guy i've been wanting us to take for quite awhile now. I wouldn't have a problem taking him with our high 3rd.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The Bengals could very well take him at 5, although the Spagnola logic of "if he's so good why's he's available" doesn't explain why Lamb was there at 17 and similar situations.

Should we have not taken him because he fell to 17, did that mean he really wasn't the elite prospect almost everyone thought he was?

Difference is none of us were talking about Lamb at 17. No one expected that. Yet Pitts we are at 10.

 

[Simpleton]

Difference is none of us were talking about Lamb at 17. No one expected that. Yet Pitts we are at 10.

I don't think many think it's any better than 50/50 at best and that's only because two of the teams in front of us have two of the best young TE's in the league.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Difference is none of us were talking about Lamb at 17. No one expected that. Yet Pitts we are at 10.

I said last year that he could fall if things played put perfectly, and I’m sure that I wasn’t the only one to say it. Goofy things happen in the draft, and talented guys fall. It happens. And, it’s entirely possible for Pitts to fall to 10 because teams don’t typically value the TE position very highly.

 

[boozeman]

A bunch of other draft media types have Pitts either 2nd or 3rd overall so it's not that outlandish, if anything Kiper is a little late to that party.

He has a habit of jacking up prospects late that he has never ever mentioned. Case in point, suddenly Tay Gowan is his 10th ranked corner.

 

[Simpleton]

He has a habit of jacking up prospects late that he has never ever mentioned. Case in point, suddenly Tay Gowan is his 10th ranked corner.

Scratching the back of agents for sure.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I don't think many think it's any better than 50/50 at best and that's only because two of the teams in front of us have two of the best young TE's in the league.

I'm assuming you are referring to Hockenson and Gesicki.

Here's their stats. These two teams are apparently justified passing on Pitts because they already have two of the best young TEs in the league.

67/723/6 (23 y.o.)
53/703/6 (25 y.o.)

The next team's TE isn't enough to justify passing on Pitts though.

63/615/4 (24 y.o.)


I'm sorry, I'm not seeing much difference.

You appear to be making the argument that Pitts isn't a need for Detroit or Miami...but he isn't a need for us either.

And not because of Schultz - whom I like by the way - but because of Cooper, Lamb and Gallup.

And if you're going to tell me that 50 or 60 catches and 700 yards is enough to pass on Pitts, then he isn't worthy of the 10th pick in the draft.

 

[Cotton]

I'm assuming you are referring to Hockenson and Gesicki.

Here's their stats. These two teams are apparently justified passing on Pitts because they already have two of the best young TEs in the league.

67/723/6 (23 y.o.)
53/703/6 (25 y.o.)

The next team's TE isn't enough to justify passing on Pitts though.

63/615/4 (24 y.o.)


I'm sorry, I'm not seeing much difference.

You appear to be making the argument that Pitts isn't a need for Detroit or Miami...but he isn't a need for us either.

And not because of Schultz - whom I like by the way - but because of Cooper, Lamb and Gallup.

And if you're going to tell me that 50 or 60 catches and 700 yards is enough to pass on Pitts, then he isn't worthy of the 10th pick in the draft.

Dead on.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Dead on.

And that's not to mention that Detroit and Miami don't have yee haw kick ass offenses such that they couldn't use an influx of offensive playmaking talent.

Meanwhile, we do. Right now. And for the foreseeable future.

And, we have a cripplingly desperate need for defensive playmakers.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

I'm assuming you are referring to Hockenson and Gesicki.

Here's their stats. These two teams are apparently justified passing on Pitts because they already have two of the best young TEs in the league.

67/723/6 (23 y.o.)
53/703/6 (25 y.o.)

The next team's TE isn't enough to justify passing on Pitts though.

63/615/4 (24 y.o.)


I'm sorry, I'm not seeing much difference.

You appear to be making the argument that Pitts isn't a need for Detroit or Miami...but he isn't a need for us either.

And not because of Schultz - whom I like by the way - but because of Cooper, Lamb and Gallup.

And if you're going to tell me that 50 or 60 catches and 700 yards is enough to pass on Pitts, then he isn't worthy of the 10th pick in the draft.

He may also be referring to Denver since they have Noah Fant. And no QB.

 

[Genghis Khan]

He may also be referring to Denver since they have Noah Fant. And no QB.

True, good point.

But Fant's stats:

62/673/3

So the same point stands.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

True, good point.

But Fant's stats:

62/673/3

So the same point stands.

Agreed. But, let’s also not forget that teams often overlook/devalue the TE position, especially early in the draft, much like they used to do with OG. It’s possible, although unlikely, that Pitts can fall given those circumstances coupled with three teams already having TEs.

 

[Simpleton]

I'm assuming you are referring to Hockenson and Gesicki.

Here's their stats. These two teams are apparently justified passing on Pitts because they already have two of the best young TEs in the league.

67/723/6 (23 y.o.)
53/703/6 (25 y.o.)

The next team's TE isn't enough to justify passing on Pitts though.

63/615/4 (24 y.o.)


I'm sorry, I'm not seeing much difference.

You appear to be making the argument that Pitts isn't a need for Detroit or Miami...but he isn't a need for us either.

And not because of Schultz - whom I like by the way - but because of Cooper, Lamb and Gallup.

And if you're going to tell me that 50 or 60 catches and 700 yards is enough to pass on Pitts, then he isn't worthy of the 10th pick in the draft.

I was referring to Fant, Gesicki could be a consideration there as well but he's a pretty horrid blocker and is mostly just a jumbo slot WR so I think Pitts is still in play for the Dolphins.

If Hockenson/Fant were 5 years into their careers and topping out at 700 yards then I'd think differently, but I think it's fair to project them as 900-1000 yard guys within 2-3 years. The fact that they were both taken in the 1st, with Hockenson in the top 10, within the last 2 years is another reason I think those teams would pass, not just due to whatever you evaluate the relative upgrade to be from those two to Pitts.

That's the difference with Schultz, he could put up 600-700 in our offense being the 5th guy defenses have to worry about but I don't think he'd put up those numbers in Detroit or Denver like Hockenson/Fant did with not much around him and/or pretty horrid QB play.

 

[NoDak]

I'm assuming you are referring to Hockenson and Gesicki.

Here's their stats. These two teams are apparently justified passing on Pitts because they already have two of the best young TEs in the league.

67/723/6 (23 y.o.)
53/703/6 (25 y.o.)

The next team's TE isn't enough to justify passing on Pitts though.

63/615/4 (24 y.o.)


I'm sorry, I'm not seeing much difference.

You appear to be making the argument that Pitts isn't a need for Detroit or Miami...but he isn't a need for us either.

And not because of Schultz - whom I like by the way - but because of Cooper, Lamb and Gallup.

And if you're going to tell me that 50 or 60 catches and 700 yards is enough to pass on Pitts, then he isn't worthy of the 10th pick in the draft.

Spot on.

 

[Genghis Khan]

That's the difference with Schultz, he could put up 600-700 in our offense being the 5th guy defenses have to worry about but I don't think he'd put up those numbers in Detroit or Denver like Hockenson/Fant did with not much around him and/or pretty horrid QB play.

I actually think the opposite. Whether you are in a passing offense matters, but I think the less weapons around you there are, the more your stats rise if you're a decent player.

You're just going to get less opportunities when there are great players around you.

Hockenson was 5th in the league in TE targets. Fant was 6th. Schultz was 10th.

And of course, the QB play around Schultz was pretty horrid much of the year.