The Coronavirus Thread...

[jsmith6919]

 

[NoDak]

maybe, just maybe, a great number people (the majority of voters certainly) could see from the beginning that this guy was unfit for the job. Nearly everything he has done since he had been in office has cemented that opinion.

Nearly everything he has done, eh?

All conjecture and hubris aside, what has he done policy wise that has made America worse off than it was 4 years ago? Before this pandemic, which would have hurt ANY president, we as a country were doing pretty well.

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[lostxn]

Yeah, I don't even see why that's considered a conspiracy theory. If you say it was engineered in a lab and purposely released to hurt the US or kill Trump's re-election or something, then sure, that's kooky. But to say it accidentally escaped from a lab where we know they study these exact types of viruses? When the bats that contain those viruses are not native to that area? How can you not consider that?

Well it's a conspiracy theory because it assumes there was a Chinese conspiracy to hide the fact they released this fucker. There is nothing more than circumstantial information which is typical of conspiracy theories. Unlike may conspiracy theories, however, you don't really have to suspend your brain to think it's true. Seems very possible.

 

[L.T. Fan]

As opposed to conservatives who clearly admit they are dumber than liberals... :

maybe, just maybe, a great number people (the majority of voters certainly) could see from the beginning that this guy was unfit for the job. Nearly everything he has done since he had been in office has cemented that opinion.

This guy who you think is unfit for the job has done more for this country than the bums that have had a public office for 30 and 40 years and all they know how to do is give money away. As well as taking a cut out of it. They go into the office nearly broke and now are multi millionaires. They are takers and users. Trump paid for his campaign and refuses any pay and stands up to countries who have taken advantage this country for years. He is a stark contrast to the political nesters and they can’t stand the fact that he isn’t afraid to take on a system that has been entrenched for years. He makes them unconfortable and it bugs the hell out of them.. So who is your political hero?

 

[lostxn]

This guy who you think is unfit for the job has done more for this country than the bums that have had a public office for 30 and 40 years and all they know how to do is give money away. As well as taking a cut out of it. They go into the office nearly broke and now are multi millionaires. They are takers and users. Trump paid for his campaign and refuses any pay and stands up to countries who have taken advantage this country for years. He is a stark contrast to the political nesters and they can’t stand the fact that he isn’t afraid to take on a system that has been entrenched for years. He makes them unconfortable and it bugs the hell out of them.. So who is your political hero?

That is the most naive portrait of this individual I have ever heard. Trump ran to glorify himself. Any other considerations pale in comparison.

Also, I'm getting tired of people casting aspirations at Obama for writing a book and giving speeches to make money for himself and his family. I would do the same fucking thing and so would you. Hell of a lot more honest than taking $40 million from Halliburton and then turning around and awarding them billions in work.

 

[L.T. Fan]

That is the most naive portrait of this individual I have ever heard. Trump ran to glorify himself. Any other considerations pale in comparison.

Also, I'm getting tired of being casting aspirations as Obama for writing a book and giving speeches to make money for himself and his family. I would do the same fucking thing and so would you. Hell of a lot more honest than taking $40 million from Halliburton and then turning around and awarding them billions in work.

If the facts were known all you know about Trumps Administration is how he has been portrayed by the liberal media so don’t use the naive label before a self examination.

I Made no reference to Obama nor did I say anything about people earning money out of public office.

I referenced the 30 and 40 year longevity officer holders who went in office poor and now have amassed millions. The career politicians that apparently you consider having credentials for holding the office of President.

Halliburton?

 

[jsmith6919]

Halliburton?

They're still blaming everything bad that happened under Obama on Bush

 

[Sheik]

When we find out that this virus kills 0.2 % of infected, we’re going to feel ridiculous.

Amirite?

 

[lostxn]

I referenced the 30 and 40 year longevity officer holders who went in office poor and now have amassed millions. The career politicians that apparently you consider having credentials for holding the office of President.

Halliburton?

I think you're making assumptions there. It's not Trump's lack of political experience. It's the fact he was a con man and a liar. Some people can see that, there is plenty of evidence. Some people are blind to it, it's hard to explain.

Dick Cheney.

 

[jsmith6919]

It's the fact he was a con man and a liar

So....like Hillary but minus being a murderer

 

[Angrymesscan]

So....like Hillary but minus being a murderer

But rapist and pedophile?

 

[lostxn]

So....like Hillary but minus being a murderer

Hillary didn't murder anyone. She also didn't run a child prostitution ring out of a pizza parlor. There are some issues there but not like that. You guys are so fucking gullible.

The Conspiracy Theories A Conservative Must Believe Today
by David Atkins
November 10, 2019
POLITICAL ANIMAL

As Donald Trump and his conservative defenders begin to construct a conspiracy theory that Adam Schiff personally orchestrated a massive conspiracy to entrap Trump in Ukraine, it’s worth noting just how many conspiracy theories you have to believe in just to be a standard Republican these days. Political parties in all eras have a number of questionable orthodoxies, but the sheer number of conspiracy theories that make up mainstream Republican ideology is remarkable. A quick rundown would include but not be limited to;
1. The belief that 10,000 climate scientists all around the world are either stupid, or engaged in a massive criminal conspiracy to concoct bad science in order to receive…more government grant funding. And that no other scientists are exposing it.
2. The belief that there is a giant conspiracy across all of news media to make Republicans look bad and elect Democrats–in spite of continually unfair press coverage of candidates like both Bernie Sanders *and* Hillary Clinton–in exchange for…what? It’s never really clear.
3. The belief without evidence that there is a giant conspiracy across local, state and federal elections officials all across the country to engage in mass wide-scale voter impersonation fraud. Needless to say, this would be insanely complicated, incredibly risky and hugely inefficient.
4. The belief that that there is a giant conspiracy to push migrants to the border in order to change the demographics of the U.S., in order to…increase taxes and gain “control”? This is a pretty nonsensical conspiracy, but it’s among the most common. It’s no surprise that this sort of rhetoric echoes fascist antisemitic tropes, which is why George Soros is so commonly included.
5. The belief that there was a deep conspiracy to elect a man named “Barack Hussein Obama” to the presidency in order to implement socialism in America…and that the shadowy socialist cabal picked a guy named “Barack Hussein Obama” for the job. Or made up his birth certificate from scratch and decided on one of the most unlikely presidential names imaginable in his birth year.
6. The belief that the “Deep State” entrapped Trump with Russia entanglements before the 2016 in order to derail his presidency if he won, but didn’t use it to stop him from winning, but were blindsided when he won, but have stymied his every move afterward.
7. The belief that there is a giant unexposed conspiracy of 100,000s of teachers/faculty across PreK and higher education to indoctrinate young people. Rather than students and young adults not buying into bigotry and doctrine once they learn something.
8. The belief that a tiny group of obscenely rich industrialists are the only truthtellers, the only ones looking out for the “forgotten man”, while millions of middle class professionals and civil servants are corrupt liars. This one is particularly ironic, as it represents a twisted funhouse version of Marxist theory.
9. The belief that millions of people want to disarm them to leave them defenseless against looters, burglars and Liberal Fascism ™, rather than just want their kids not to get shot at school again and again by trigger-happy Rambo cosplayers.
10. The belief that Green Energy is a scam to give connected companies money and make coal miners homeless, rather than an effort to save millions of lives from climate change, pollution and black lung.
11. The belief that social services are an intentionally corrupt scam to keep minority groups on the “Democrat Plantation” ™, rather than a good-faith effort to make up for the predations of a brutal market in a society riddled with horrific structural racism.
It goes on and on. And that’s just the standard stuff you hear from most GOP politicians on any given day. It doesn’t even get into the really weird conspiracies that millions of Republican voters actively believe, like QAnon, secret 5th column communists, pedophile illuminati, etc. It also doesn’t touch the dangerously errant shibboleths like “tax cuts pay for themselves” or “anyone can escape poverty if they really want to” which, while not conspiracy theories, are false articles of faith with destructive consequences.
Again, it would be one thing if these beliefs were limited to the GOP base. But it’s not just the rubes. It’s the Senators and the Representatives. It’s the President and his lawyers. They all feed from the paranoid conservative infotainment trough, which has to up the ante every year in order to make the world as it really is match up somehow with false conservative ideological orthodoxy.
It’s conspiracy theory turtles all the way down. And needless to say, in a two-party system, it’s incredibly dangerous for one party to be this far gone from reality.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Hillary didn't murder anyone. She also didn't run a child prostitution ring out of a pizza parlor. There are some issues there but not like that. You guys are so fucking gullible.

The Conspiracy Theories A Conservative Must Believe Today
by David Atkins
November 10, 2019
POLITICAL ANIMAL

As Donald Trump and his conservative defenders begin to construct a conspiracy theory that Adam Schiff personally orchestrated a massive conspiracy to entrap Trump in Ukraine, it’s worth noting just how many conspiracy theories you have to believe in just to be a standard Republican these days. Political parties in all eras have a number of questionable orthodoxies, but the sheer number of conspiracy theories that make up mainstream Republican ideology is remarkable. A quick rundown would include but not be limited to;
1. The belief that 10,000 climate scientists all around the world are either stupid, or engaged in a massive criminal conspiracy to concoct bad science in order to receive…more government grant funding. And that no other scientists are exposing it.
2. The belief that there is a giant conspiracy across all of news media to make Republicans look bad and elect Democrats–in spite of continually unfair press coverage of candidates like both Bernie Sanders *and* Hillary Clinton–in exchange for…what? It’s never really clear.
3. The belief without evidence that there is a giant conspiracy across local, state and federal elections officials all across the country to engage in mass wide-scale voter impersonation fraud. Needless to say, this would be insanely complicated, incredibly risky and hugely inefficient.
4. The belief that that there is a giant conspiracy to push migrants to the border in order to change the demographics of the U.S., in order to…increase taxes and gain “control”? This is a pretty nonsensical conspiracy, but it’s among the most common. It’s no surprise that this sort of rhetoric echoes fascist antisemitic tropes, which is why George Soros is so commonly included.
5. The belief that there was a deep conspiracy to elect a man named “Barack Hussein Obama” to the presidency in order to implement socialism in America…and that the shadowy socialist cabal picked a guy named “Barack Hussein Obama” for the job. Or made up his birth certificate from scratch and decided on one of the most unlikely presidential names imaginable in his birth year.
6. The belief that the “Deep State” entrapped Trump with Russia entanglements before the 2016 in order to derail his presidency if he won, but didn’t use it to stop him from winning, but were blindsided when he won, but have stymied his every move afterward.
7. The belief that there is a giant unexposed conspiracy of 100,000s of teachers/faculty across PreK and higher education to indoctrinate young people. Rather than students and young adults not buying into bigotry and doctrine once they learn something.
8. The belief that a tiny group of obscenely rich industrialists are the only truthtellers, the only ones looking out for the “forgotten man”, while millions of middle class professionals and civil servants are corrupt liars. This one is particularly ironic, as it represents a twisted funhouse version of Marxist theory.
9. The belief that millions of people want to disarm them to leave them defenseless against looters, burglars and Liberal Fascism ™, rather than just want their kids not to get shot at school again and again by trigger-happy Rambo cosplayers.
10. The belief that Green Energy is a scam to give connected companies money and make coal miners homeless, rather than an effort to save millions of lives from climate change, pollution and black lung.
11. The belief that social services are an intentionally corrupt scam to keep minority groups on the “Democrat Plantation” ™, rather than a good-faith effort to make up for the predations of a brutal market in a society riddled with horrific structural racism.
It goes on and on. And that’s just the standard stuff you hear from most GOP politicians on any given day. It doesn’t even get into the really weird conspiracies that millions of Republican voters actively believe, like QAnon, secret 5th column communists, pedophile illuminati, etc. It also doesn’t touch the dangerously errant shibboleths like “tax cuts pay for themselves” or “anyone can escape poverty if they really want to” which, while not conspiracy theories, are false articles of faith with destructive consequences.
Again, it would be one thing if these beliefs were limited to the GOP base. But it’s not just the rubes. It’s the Senators and the Representatives. It’s the President and his lawyers. They all feed from the paranoid conservative infotainment trough, which has to up the ante every year in order to make the world as it really is match up somehow with false conservative ideological orthodoxy.
It’s conspiracy theory turtles all the way down. And needless to say, in a two-party system, it’s incredibly dangerous for one party to be this far gone from reality.

Classic throw enough BS on the wall and maybe something will stick.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I think you're making assumptions there. It's not Trump's lack of political experience. It's the fact he was a con man and a liar. Some people can see that, there is plenty of evidence. Some people are blind to it, it's hard to explain.

Dick Cheney.

Why is it hard to explain if you say there is plenty of evidence? If you want someone to believe something you tell them what it is and how it’s documented.

As far as a con man and liar is concerned you have just described a large portion of the career politicians so how is Trump any worse than the rest of the Washington crowd? The difference in them is what they do when they are in office. Trump has been busy doing things that upset status quo. The Democratic Party has been busy trying to get him out of office with one failed effort after another. If you can, describe the platform accomplishments of the donkey team for the past 3 and one half years.

What does Halliburton have to do with Trump?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That Atkins article is so over the top slanted.

Yet we're the brainwashed ones taking our marching orders from Fox.

C'mon, man.

 

[jsmith6919]

Hillary didn't murder anyone.

Epstein didn't kill himself

 

[Cowboysrock55]

That Atkins article is so over the top slanted.

Yet we're the brainwashed ones taking our marching orders from Fox.

C'mon, man.

It's funny that people can read articles like these and feel vindicated. Both sides do this same shit.

 

[NoDak]

That Atkins article is so over the top slanted.

Yet we're the brainwashed ones taking our marching orders from Fox.

C'mon, man.

I particularly liked the part where he tells us there are "some issues" with Clinton, then in the very next breath tries to tell us that we are the ones who are "fucking gullible".