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Chocolate Lab

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I doubt we will ever have a President again that will appease both sides and the stupidity will subside.
Not to get too far away from the virus in this thread, but I've often wondered how much different things would be if, say, Cruz or Rubio were the Republican president. The press wouldn't be as insanely rabid as they are now, but I kind of think the attacks wouldn't be all that different. I think they'd just be more subtle about it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but as much as they hate him personally, I think they mostly hate his policies and that their side isn't in power. IOW, Trump's personality in a lot of cases is an excuse to attack.
 

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Not to get too far away from the virus in this thread, but I've often wondered how much different things would be if, say, Cruz or Rubio were the Republican president. The press wouldn't be as insanely rabid as they are now, but I kind of think the attacks wouldn't be all that different. I think they'd just be more subtle about it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but as much as they hate him personally, I think they mostly hate his policies and that their side isn't in power. IOW, Trump's personality in a lot of cases is an excuse to attack.
Nah. They hate McConnell, Pence, Cruz, Cotton and Burr every bit as much as Trump. They just use Trump's personality as an excuse. The only "good" Republican is one who stabs his party in the back (McCain, Romney).
 

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Yeah. The guy has his faults. All Presidents do. And there is no arguing that he isn't a bully that enjoys badgering people. And that certainly isn't Presidential. But he is not nearly as bad as the left and their sheep would have you believe. And has done a pretty good job. If he would only stop tweeting and thinking he has to get the last word in. But, I digress...

I doubt we will ever have a President again that will appease both sides and the stupidity will subside. Presidents have always dealt with some snark from the other party, which is understandable, but it really started to take off with Bush and continued with Obama. But even those two didn't have to deal with a fraction of what Trump has. This has really gotten ridiculous. I sincerely hope that the right doesn't try to pull the ignorant bullshit we've seen over the last few years on the next Democrat President. This my team/your team idiocy has to stop. And it's pretty much been proven by the left these last few years that they aren't going to be the ones to do it.
If anyone can’t see by now the there has been a conspiracy and shadow government coupled with a liberally aligned media since before he took office then they are hopeless as to what has been going on. It is unprecedented in the history of this nation and it is almost to the point of where the “loyal”opposition is admitting they will not stop until they find a way to remove him from office by any means necessary. It is even more appalling that half the nation would willingly perform or support their parties conduct because they believe it is okay to do this. These are the folks who believe they are intellectually superior.
 

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It’s times like this that I wish sense could be beaten into people.

I can’t watch or read any news that doesn’t immediately cause me to want to beat someone nearly to death.

It’s both sides, too. People are fucking dying, people are scared, and people are in the midst of losing their livelihood’s.

All the media and “expert guests” can do is try and find blame to place on someone. The funny thing is, proof exists, video/print documentation, that both sides have been wrong on many levels and nobody has a leg to stand on when it comes to second guessing and hindsight.

It’s infuriating.
 

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I think @mschmidt64 got his stimulus check and said fuck it, I’m out.
Working from home frees up lots of time for such awesome activities like, taking care of my two young children all day long.

And also playing the Witcher 3 on Death March difficulty.
 

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Working from home frees up lots of time for such awesome activities like, taking care of my two young children all day long.

And also playing the Witcher 3 on Death March difficulty.
I've been thinking about making a run at Skyrim on my daughters Nintendo Switch... I haven't played it in a long time.
 

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Well our deaths are the worst in the world (on a total basis though not per capita) so our approach really can't be the same as Sweden. I do think we could possibly learn from them when we re-open, but perhaps not. Really we need to start/keep wearing masks, socially distance at work, have tracing/tracking in place. You have all that and you can re-open with some hope of not having too much of a spike.
 

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What blows my mind is Italy. They have just about as many deaths and recoveries as the USA, but like 400k less confirmed cases.

People are going to point to age, but unless 99.9% of the deaths in the USA are of the same age group as Italy, something doesn’t add up, unless I’m missing something.
testing
 

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The numbers that jump out at me from the USA is basically the same number of “recovered” as deaths...
Most countries have a larger base of recovered than dead, Germany is like 20 recovered for every death.
Probably has to do with the moment of the crisis, but going from those numbers you’d have a 50/50 chance in the USA if you get coronavirus.
Those numbers aren't worth a shit. I think to qualify you to have 2 negative tests for the virus. Given its next to impossible to get a test, try getting three (one initial and two f/u).
 

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These are the folks who believe they are intellectually superior.
As opposed to conservatives who clearly admit they are dumber than liberals... :rolleyes:

maybe, just maybe, a great number people (the majority of voters certainly) could see from the beginning that this guy was unfit for the job. Nearly everything he has done since he had been in office has cemented that opinion.
 

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That's why all the shotguns are sold out. LOL. First time gun owners are probably not ideally suited for pistols. They take some skill.
That wouldn't surprise me. I'd bet basic revolvers saw a rise in sales too. I'll see if I can find any data on this
 

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I was thinking that could possibly be a contributor to the numbers.

Do you have a reliable source where I can see testing numbers by country?
Only the US by state. But there is no way Italy is losing 15% to the disease. That is just way too different than other countries are seeing. Makes no sense.
 
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Interesting this conspiracy theory is going mainstream. By the way, I have no idea and no opinion on this. My anti-Chinese government bias kind of hopes it is to justify the ass-kicking they dearly deserve.
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The Washington Post Goes Rogue: China Lab In Focus Of Coronavirus Outbreak
Kenneth Rapoza
CHINA-HEALTH-VIRUS

People wearing face masks wait to buy roasted duck at a restaurant in Wuhan, China's central Hubei ... [+]

For months, anyone who said the new SARS coronavirus might have come out of a virology research lab in Wuhan, China was dismissed as a right wing xenophobe.

When Zero Hedge — a financial news website whose comment section certainly fits the right wing stereotype — first put out its own bombastic version of the bat-borne virus escaping a research lab, they were banned from Twitter.

FOX host Tucker Carlson starting banging this drum last week.

But on Tuesday, the narrative has flipped. It’s no longer a story shared by China bears and President Trump fans. Today, Josh Rogin, who is said to be as plugged into the State Department as any Washington Post columnist, was shown documents dating back to 2015 revealing how the U.S. government was worried about safety standards at that Wuhan lab. In fact, they were worried that one day, one of these experiments — including the one on bat coronaviruses — could escape and become a global nightmare.
Why this is labeled opinion on WaPo’s website is unclear, as Rogin was not giving his opinion here. He sourced people from the state department, and Chinese-American academics who gave their own thoughts on the subject.


“I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory. I think it’s a legitimate question that needs to be investigated and answered,” Xiao Qiang, a research scientist at the School of Information at the University of California at Berkeley told Rogin. “To understand exactly how this originated is critical knowledge for preventing this from happening in the future.”

China has not been forthcoming about the new SARS coronavirus origins. They’re not being entirely transparent, despite being heralded as such by some leaders.
An example of that secrecy from Rogin:
Wuhan Leishenshan Hospital Closed

A medical worker cleans up, Wuhan, Hubei Province, China, April 14, 2020. Tomorrow, leishenshan ... [+]

“In January 2018, the U.S. Embassy in Beijing took the unusual step of repeatedly sending U.S. science diplomats to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which had in 2015 become China’s first laboratory to achieve the highest level of international bioresearch safety (known as BSL-4). WIV issued a news release in English about the last of these visits, which occurred on March 27, 2018. The U.S. delegation was led by Jamison Fouss, the consul general in Wuhan, and Rick Switzer, the embassy’s counselor of environment, science, technology and health. Last week, WIV erased that statement from its website, though it remains archived on the Internet.”

Worth noting, at least one young researcher from the lab —Huang Yanling — a graduate student thought to be patient zero — was scrubbed from the lab’s website.

The first, mysterious samples arrived at Wuhan Institute of Virology on December 30, 2019. Shi Zhengli, a renown bat scientist in China, was told by the Institute’s director that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention — modeled after our own CDC — had detected a novel coronavirus in two hospital patients. They were suffering from an odd pneumonia. They wanted her laboratory to investigate because the virus belonged to the same family of bat-borne viruses that caused SARS, a disease that — by comparison — only infected 8,100 people and killed just under 800 in an 8 month period in 2002-03.

“I had never expected this kind of thing to happen in Wuhan, in central China,” she was quoted as saying by Scientific American on March 11. Her studies had shown that the southern, subtropical areas of Guangdong, Guangxi and Yunnan had the greatest risk of coronaviruses jumping to humans from animals—particularly bats, a known reservoir for many viruses. If bat coronaviruses were the culprit, she recalled to Scientific American, “could they have come from our lab?”

She has since promised the world that it did not come from her lab, though how she would know that for sure is unknown. We don’t know where she is. If she was making the media rounds on Chinese television, few in the U.S. would believe her at this point.

Her research on bat coronaviruses goes back to 2015. Here is one published in 2015 in Nature magazine. There is a lot of information about this new SARS, yet the world still seems stuck in the unknowns.

The U.S. government helped build and fund Wuhan virology labs. The thinking was that it was important for China to get up to par in the global life sciences. It was already a known center of previous outbreaks. Investing there and educating them on international safety standards was just preventative medicine.

Rogin’s reporting suggests that government officials were well aware of the research being conducted in the lab on bat coronaviruses and were worried that the lab still had sub-par safety standards.

CHINA-BEIJING-XI JINPING-COVID-19-INSPECTION (CN)

Chinese President Xi Jinping hears about the progress on a vaccine at the Academy of Military ... [+]

Rogin writes that, “What the U.S. officials learned during their visits concerned them so much that they dispatched two diplomatic cables categorized as Sensitive But Unclassified back to Washington. The cables warned about safety and management weaknesses at the WIV lab and proposed more attention and help. The first cable, which I obtained, also warns that the lab’s work on bat coronaviruses and their potential human transmission represented a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic.”

Rogin’s article probably stemmed from conversations with someone inside the State Department boiling at the rim over many weeks as the U.S. faces a “stop the world” moment because of this pandemic.

Over the weekend, the Chinese government banned academic and other research institutions from publishing its research on coronaviruses on their websites.

The thinking there is, perhaps, that people in the U.S. and Europe are using those studies to place blame on the Chinese government. China has been working overtime to convince people that questioning the origin of the disease is racist.

The Washington Post story today brings the possibility of a lab leak into the mainstream.

In a best case scenario, Rogin’s reveal may ultimately get China to cooperate more in regards to the origins of the virus, setting the table for better drugs to mitigate or even cure the deadly COVID-19.
 

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About damn time. Now do the UN
 

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Yeah, I don't even see why that's considered a conspiracy theory. If you say it was engineered in a lab and purposely released to hurt the US or kill Trump's re-election or something, then sure, that's kooky. But to say it accidentally escaped from a lab where we know they study these exact types of viruses? When the bats that contain those viruses are not native to that area? How can you not consider that?
 
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