The Coronavirus Thread...

[Cotton]

I don’t care enough to actually find out why, but I assume they want to block it because they want illegals to get checks in the bill, or maybe they want more funding for planned parenthood because people are just staying home and fucking much more which will lead to unwanted pregnancies. Or maybe they want funding for PETA or some shit.

Above everything else they want/desperately need the economy to tank. It's their only chance in the election.

 

[Sheik]

Above everything else they want/desperately need the economy to tank. It's their only chance in the election.

Let them try and suggest the economy is Trump’s fault.

If anything, the economy tanking is going to help Trump. A recession would have killed his chances, but anyone with a brain, even a Trump hater, knows he’s the one who can get it back on track. Biden can’t even spell economy right now.

 

[Sheik]

Speaking of shopping online, some dickhead used my business debit card to order $950 worth of shit at Costco on sunday through a delivery service called “instacart”.

We have no idea who it was, and instacart won’t tell me the address where the shit was delivered. They‘ll allow me to pay for it, but they won’t give me the courtesy of telling me who it was.

I don’t want to turn someone in if they are starving to death, but Jesus Christ, $950? If it was a few hundred I wouldn’t even really care.

 

[lostxn]

man, how can you avoid what seems inevitable? Seems like everyone in your profession will eventually get it.

Am I overstating things?

So I guess when you have a known C19 patient, you wear the N95 mask, gloves, face shield...anything else?

Thank gawd for people like you in the world doing what y'all do, I get queasy at the site of a needle and would be a horrible health care worker

Thanks for the attaboy, appreciate it. Um, if the pt is here for something not COVID-sounding I wear a surgical mask, gloves, goggles and a surgical cap. For instance an elderly person to the ED for a fall. If there are respiratory complaints or a fever, I wear an N95 + surgical mask and have been using a gown. My medical director asked me to stop using a gown unless I'm doing a procedure though since we're running low and we're still 2 weeks to the peak.

If the pt needs critical care (intubation, central venous access) it's everything I mentioned before + face shield + surgical gown. We put a plastic box over the pt during the intubation to cut down aerosolization of the virus. It's a pucker moment. I usually slather my neck with hand sanitizer after the procedure as it's exposed.

 

[NoDak]

Biden Cuts Hole In Mask So He Can Still Sniff People's Hair

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Joe Biden has committed to wearing a mask in public to be a good example and to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Aides were disappointed and a little frightened, however, when Biden immediately cut a large hole in the middle of the mask so he could continue to invade people's...

babylonbee.com

 

[lostxn]

Are you getting more masks than you were, or did you figure out a good way to sanitize them yet?

I actually built a UVC sanitizer for the hospital with one of our techs. We're gonna build a few more.

UVC Sterilizer for COVID-19 Emergency

UVC Sterilizer for COVID-19 Emergency: How to make a UVC sterilizer box. First things first. Electricity is dangerous! If you are not confident and competent do not attempt anything mentioned below. UVC (253.7nm) light is powerful, it can blind you and possibly give you skin cancer if ex…

www.instructables.com

 

[lostxn]

When people pass away, is it because they are physically incapable of taking a breath; Their breaths are so short the body shuts down from lack of oxygen? Are they hyperventilating? Or is the physical breathing part fine but the lungs no longer process the oxygen? Are they struggling as they pass?

So there just isn't enough healthy lung tissue for oxygen exchange. So you die of hypoxia (lack of oxygen) generally. I haven't seen anybody die in front of me (Dallas way better off than NYC) but the people who get intubated are working hard to breathe and can't keep up. When 10% of your lungs are working, you have to breath very fast to oxygenate. You can't keep up that effort for long. There is also some reports of the virus spreading to the heart and causing heart failure and even to the brain and causing encephalopathy.

 

[lostxn]

If anything, the economy tanking is going to help Trump. A recession would have killed his chances, but anyone with a brain, even a Trump hater, knows he’s the one who can get it back on track. Biden can’t even spell economy right now.

Obama-Biden had a pretty good track record on the economy thank you very much. Came in with the economy in the shitter and left with unemployment rate at 4.9%. Wage growth is really the only criticism you could have of that administration. Trump goosed an already growing economy with cheap money and huge tax cuts driving up the deficit. This wasn't exactly some brilliant move, he was mortgaging the future to get a transient benefit. Like a CEO artificially goosing the stock price to get his pay up. The tariffs on China haven't done shit. I am not against them, by the way - I would just do them in coordination with our European allies so we can really bully them around.

Of course, you're gonna say I only care about deficits when Reps are in office. That's not true, I always care about deficits - I used to be a CPA in fact. However, in times of emergency such as right now or the financial crash we have no choice.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Obama-Biden had a pretty good track record on the economy thank you very much. Came in with the economy in the shitter and left with unemployment rate at 4.9%. Wage growth is really the only criticism you could have of that administration. Trump goosed an already growing economy with cheap money and huge tax cuts driving up the deficit. This wasn't exactly some brilliant move, he was mortgaging the future to get a transient benefit. Like a CEO artificially goosing the stock price to get his pay up. The tariffs on China haven't done shit. I am not against them, by the way - I would just do them in coordination with our European allies so we can really bully them around.

Of course, you're gonna say I only care about deficits when Reps are in office. That's not true, I always care about deficits - I used to be a CPA in fact. However, in times of emergency such as right now or the financial crash we have no choice.

I'll always remember Obama for his shovel ready program that was a total and complete failure of an attempt to help the economy. His stimulus package that he titled shovel ready was a complete flop. I'm not sure how people can forget these failures when discussing Obama's inability to understand economics. For a guy who used to be a CPA certainly you can see how Obama digging us into debt for a program that completely failed was bad. You knock Trump for getting money in people's hands and creating debt but isn't it worse to create debt and put basically no money in people's hands? Hell even Obama admitted Shovel Ready wasn't so Shovel Ready.

On top of that the job numbers you're using are very flawed. We had record numbers of people on disability. As you probably know those on disability don't count towards unemployment. But they are a similar leach on society regardless. Presumably they are still high under Trumps watch but it's something that has needed to be cracked down on for a long time. Maybe you disagree with that as a medical doctor but I see lots of people who get disability who don't need or deserve it. And those record numbers are going to drive down unemployment but it is an even greater burden on the workforce.

 

[Sheik]

Obama-Biden had a pretty good track record on the economy thank you very much. Came in with the economy in the shitter and left with unemployment rate at 4.9%. Wage growth is really the only criticism you could have of that administration. Trump goosed an already growing economy with cheap money and huge tax cuts driving up the deficit. This wasn't exactly some brilliant move, he was mortgaging the future to get a transient benefit. Like a CEO artificially goosing the stock price to get his pay up. The tariffs on China haven't done shit. I am not against them, by the way - I would just do them in coordination with our European allies so we can really bully them around.

Of course, you're gonna say I only care about deficits when Reps are in office. That's not true, I always care about deficits - I used to be a CPA in fact. However, in times of emergency such as right now or the financial crash we have no choice.

There are so many games that both sides can play with unemployment numbers. For instance, you can stop counting certain unemployed people after they’ve been unemployed for a certain time, claiming they’ve “left the workforce”.

I’m more interested in how many new jobs have been created and what type of jobs those are.

The most consistent numbers I can find say Obama in two terms “created” 8.9 million jobs.

Trump in 3+ years is sitting somewhere near 6.7 million jobs “created”.

I think Trump has been kinda ok for the economy.

 

[jsmith6919]

I'll always remember Obama for his shovel ready program that was a total and complete failure of an attempt to help the economy. His stimulus package that he titled shovel ready was a complete flop. I'm not sure how people can forget these failures when discussing Obama's inability to understand economics.

Also Solyndra

 

[Cowboysrock55]

There are so many games that both sides can play with unemployment numbers. For instance, you can stop counting certain unemployed people after they’ve been unemployed for a certain time, claiming they’ve “left the workforce”.

I’m more interested in how many new jobs have been created and what type of jobs those are.

The most consistent numbers I can find say Obama in two terms “created” 8.9 million jobs.

Trump in 3+ years is sitting somewhere near 6.7 million jobs “created”.

I think Trump has been kinda ok for the economy.

That's the real crux of it. The participation rate of the workforce started to be shit under Obama. It helps unemployment numbers look good but it doesn't make people's lives better.

 

[lostxn]

I'll always remember Obama for his shovel ready program that was a total and complete failure of an attempt to help the economy. His stimulus package that he titled shovel ready was a complete flop. I'm not sure how people can forget these failures when discussing Obama's inability to understand economics. For a guy who used to be a CPA certainly you can see how Obama digging us into debt for a program that completely failed was bad. You knock Trump for getting money in people's hands and creating debt but isn't it worse to create debt and put basically no money in people's hands? Hell even Obama admitted Shovel Ready wasn't so Shovel Ready.

On top of that the job numbers you're using are very flawed. We had record numbers of people on disability. As you probably know those on disability don't count towards unemployment. But they are a similar leach on society regardless. Presumably they are still high under Trumps watch but it's something that has needed to be cracked down on for a long time. Maybe you disagree with that as a medical doctor but I see lots of people who get disability who don't need or deserve it. And those record numbers are going to drive down unemployment but it is an even greater burden on the workforce.

So conservative media has spent a ton of time explaining how Obama and his admin didn't really help the economy and wasted money and this and that. Obama created 16 million jobs if you measure it from the depth of the economic recession.

Which President Created the Most Jobs?

Bill Clinton created the most jobs during his time in office, though Franklin D. Roosevelt saw the highest percent increase. Learn who the top job creators are.

www.thebalance.com

Trump ranks 13th among President for job creation in his first three years according to this website.

As for disability, I absolutely do agree. I have seen motherfuckers on disability for depression and migraines and other bullshit. I am not down with that at all. However, we have to get these people better jobs. When 50 year old guys lose their manufacturing jobs in the Rust Belt, they don't just die. They spend their time trying to survive. Sadly, becoming wards of the state has been a solution for many.

 

[bbgun]

I have seen motherfuckers on disability for depression and migraines and other bullshit.

Every other plaintiff on Judge Judy is on disability. Who are the docs signing off on these bogus claims?

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

So conservative media has spent a ton of time explaining how Obama and his admin didn't really help the economy and wasted money and this and that. Obama created 16 million jobs if you measure it from the depth of the economic recession.

Which President Created the Most Jobs?

Bill Clinton created the most jobs during his time in office, though Franklin D. Roosevelt saw the highest percent increase. Learn who the top job creators are.

www.thebalance.com

Trump ranks 13th among President for job creation in his first three years according to this website.

As for disability, I absolutely do agree. I have seen motherfuckers on disability for depression and migraines and other bullshit. I am not down with that at all. However, we have to get these people better jobs. When 50 year old guys lose their manufacturing jobs in the Rust Belt, they don't just die. They spend their time trying to survive. Sadly, becoming wards of the state has been a solution for many.

Yeah sorry I was speaking to Obama, not necessarily what Trump has done. I just know no matter what the numbers show the economy was pretty well shit under Obama. I deal with a lot of clients who don't have a lot of money. I can tell you most of those people are doing much better these days.

Disability has always been a pet peeve of mine. Seems like everyone with an ache or pain thinks they deserve a disability check. Even worse some of those same people work for cash so that it won't impact their disability check. It's why I prefer the real unemployment numbers as opposed to the official ones. This for example is a much better showing of the economy:

Official Unemployment Real Unemployment

2017	4.8%	9.4%
2018	4.4%	8.2%
2019	4.0%	8.1%
2020	3.6%	6.9

 

[Chocolate Lab]

LOL. Obama presided over one of the worst recoveries in this country's history. Usually the deeper the recession, the stronger the recovery. Not with him.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Here is a pretty good visual depiction of the real recovery under Obama.

 

[Cotton]

So conservative media has spent a ton of time explaining how Obama and his admin didn't really help the economy and wasted money and this and that. Obama created 16 million jobs if you measure it from the depth of the economic recession.

Which President Created the Most Jobs?

Bill Clinton created the most jobs during his time in office, though Franklin D. Roosevelt saw the highest percent increase. Learn who the top job creators are.

www.thebalance.com

Trump ranks 13th among President for job creation in his first three years according to this website.

As for disability, I absolutely do agree. I have seen motherfuckers on disability for depression and migraines and other bullshit. I am not down with that at all. However, we have to get these people better jobs. When 50 year old guys lose their manufacturing jobs in the Rust Belt, they don't just die. They spend their time trying to survive. Sadly, becoming wards of the state has been a solution for many.

So, Trump ranks “13th” ON TOP OF Obama creating 16 million right before him? Pretty impressive if you ask me. Oh, and were there 8 million new people needing jobs in the last 3 years?

 

[lostxn]

That's the real crux of it. The participation rate of the workforce started to be shit under Obama. It helps unemployment numbers look good but it doesn't make people's lives better.

Labor Force Participation Rate: Purpose, Formula, and Trends

The labor force participation rate is an estimate of the number of people actively engaged in the workforce.

www.investopedia.com

The chart Obama-haters love most—and the truth behind it

Labor-force participation is a meaningless measure.

qz.com

This is true but 1/2 of the drop in the labor participation rate is the baby boomers aging out of the workforce. You also have an increase in people going to college, squeezing the other end. If you just look at people in their prime working years, things look considerably better for Obama's years. Again, people look at the data until they make their point, then give up digging. True of both sides, by the way.




Since Trump took office we've skyrocketing from 62.6% to 63.2% labor participation rate.