The Johnny Manziel Thread

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Broker says Manziel received $7,500 for autographs

Posted by Mike Florio on August 6, 2013, 3:32 PM EDT


The closest Johnny Manziel may come to football in 2013 is his nickname.

According to ESPN.com, a broker says that Manziel received $7,500 for signing approximately 300 helmets in January. It happened at the Walter Camp Football Foundation event, making it different from the paid autograph session in Miami, where Manziel allegedly engaged prior to the BCS National Championship game.

The broker showed ESPN videos of Manziel signing the helmets, which were shot for authentication purposes. Manziel reportedly can be heard on the video saying “you never did a signing with me.”

With two separate incidents, Manziel could be facing more than the five-game suspensions imposed on various Ohio State players in 2011 for receiving compensation for memorabilia.

While the broader question continues to be whether college football players should be allowed to receive compensation for autographs (even those like Manziel, whose family already has plenty of money), the rules won’t be changing before they are applied to Manziel.

Which means that Manziel ultimately could have an extended opportunity to prepare for the 2014 draft.

At least he wouldn’t end up with a bunch of bad 2013 game film to undermine a performance that was good enough last year to get him the Heisman Trophy.
 

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They said the video of him signing was filmed w/o his knowledge. Pretty shitty tactic by the broker.
 

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I'm also interested in knowing what prompted the broker to go to the media with these videos. Seems kind of odd for him to take videos to ESPN out of the blue.
 

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I'm also interested in knowing what prompted the broker to go to the media with these videos. Seems kind of odd for him to take videos to ESPN out of the blue.
$$$
 

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I'm also interested in knowing what prompted the broker to go to the media with these videos. Seems kind of odd for him to take videos to ESPN out of the blue.
Yeah, like dallen said, money... but the guy is a scumbag for doing it.
 

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Yeah, like dallen said, money... but the guy is a scumbag for doing it.
I thought about that but the broker pretty much ruined his own business by doing this.

I will be very surprised if another notable college player autographs anything else for this guy.

I would think he'd make a lot more money by continuing to get these autographs on the DL rather than completely sideswiping Manziel while exposing himself as a scumbag in the process.

It makes no sense to me.
 

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Whitlock: Manziel can end NCAA hypocrisy

By Jason Whitlock

Ralph Wiley — my friend, mentor and hero — wrote a book years ago that, through a collection of essays, attempted to explain Why Black People Tend to Shout.

The explanation is rather simple: It’s been difficult for America to hear us unless we’re loud, obnoxious and rebellious. Reasonable claims of injustice and unfairness are dismissed as excuse-making by people who allegedly don’t have the necessary integrity and resolve to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Our shouts are heard, but they often go unaddressed until similar injustices impact the majority community.

Johnny Manziel is the latest example of this phenomenon.

The Heisman Trophy winner is a rule bender like Cam Newton, a rock-star partier like JaMarcus Russell and an improvisational playmaker like Michael Vick.

Somehow, America loves Johnny Football. We love him so much that we’re now ready to overthrow the NCAA and the stupid rule book that might deny us the privilege of watching Manziel attempt to duplicate his improbable freshman season. We love this rich, pampered, Justin Bieber-wannabe so much that we’re now apparently ready to deal with the fraudulence of amateurism.

Yep. This is why black people tend to shout.

Reggie Bush was an immoral, greedy punk who deserved to have his Heisman Trophy stripped from him because a potential agent rented his parents a new house. Cam Newton got called everything but a child of God because his father allegedly asked for extra money in his collection plate. Few outside of the Buckeye state cried when Terrelle Pryor got run out of college football because of free tattoos.

But Johnny Football and his autographs are game-changers when it comes to public perception of NCAA rules. Why?

For the same reason the Hippie Movement of the 1960s changed America’s perception of marijuana laws. White kids were suddenly impacted by our country’s draconian, mandatory-sentencing laws regarding marijuana. The Boggs Act of 1952 and the Narcotics Control Act of 1956 stipulated that first offenders receive two-to-10 years for marijuana possession. A decade of white Hippie weed smoke caused Congress to repeal the mandatory sentencing in 1970. It took The Grateful Dead and kids like Bill Walton to awaken America to the stupidity of throwing a young person’s life away over grass.

Maybe Johnny Football can teach us to quit throwing athletic careers away over shamateurism.

Fairness, to me, would not be Manziel being treated the way the NCAA and its media collaborators have treated poor, rule-bending black athletes for years. The NCAA and its volunteer media police force have used black athletes for financial gain and career advancement for too long.

I stand in defense of Manziel with the same conviction I stood in defense of Reggie Bush. In this era of TV-money-saturated college football and basketball, the NCAA rule book is outdated, immoral and ripe for abolishment.

Once again, let me remind you of the words written by the white, conservative architect of the modern NCAA, the organization’s former, longtime president, Walter Byers:

“Today the NCAA Presidents Commission is preoccupied with tightening a few loose bolts in a worn machine, firmly committed to the neo-plantation belief that the enormous proceeds from college games belong to the overseers (administrators) and supervisors (coaches). The plantation workers performing in the arena may only receive those benefits authorized by the overseers.”

Maybe Johnny Football will help America deal with the reality Byers spelled out in stark terms in 1997.

I’m not going to demonize Manziel. Yes, he’s spoiled and out of control. But he’s a product of a sports culture we have allowed to rot by not dealing with the complications brought on by television, fame and money. Kids don’t remotely respect NCAA rules because the rules are not remotely rooted in fairness.

It’s our fault. We, the media, fought harder for the expansion of the college football season and a playoff format than we did to end the sham of amateurism. We fought for our own pleasure rather than what’s right for the kids who sacrifice their bodies. Many greedy and cowardly millionaire coaches have been reluctant to speak a truth they know firsthand out of fear they might have to share their wealth.

Maybe that will change now that a good-looking white kid is in the crosshairs.

Unfortunately, it takes a victim who looks like Manziel for the masses to fully grasp unfairness. It took Manziel’s autographs for the masses to understand a point Jay Bilas has been making relentlessly on Twitter for at least the last two years. The NCAA can profit off Manziel’s name and fame, but Manziel can’t? Really?

It’s way past time for a new NCAA rule book and policies that make football and basketball players feel less financially exploited. Most people — regardless of color, family background or economic status — respect rules based in fairness. Manziel is no different from Newton or Bush. The only difference is America’s largely sympathetic reaction to Manziel’s NCAA problems.

If you read my column regularly, you know I don’t condone all of the shouting we do. But I know why black people tend to shout. Sometimes it feels like America has one ear and two mouths when we’re talking politely.
 

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Isn't Jason Whitlock the same race baiter that has tried to stir the pot several times before?
 

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Also, who are all these legions of white people defending Manziel? I haven't heard a defense of him yet.
 

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Really? You haven't heard 'he's just a kid' a million times?

People excuse that douche all the time
When it was mostly a kid who was drinking and having a good time, yes. I don't that you can consider that in the same realm cheating. It is one thing to party and be immature.

Once you start selling your autograph and breaking major rules everyone generally gets put in the same category.

It is much like Vince Young. He reached pop-culture status while he was playing. He had some worts, seemed immature and even caused some problems on his team. I didn't see anyone tearing him apart because nothing about major rules violations came out.

Keep in mind that the Black players mentioned in this article had major rules violations. That didn't happen with Johnny until just recently. Before that point you did see a lot of people defending him. Mostly Aggies but who cares about they say?
 

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I honestly have not really heard many people defend him. Not saying it isn't happening, but I haven't heard it. Even his own dad took a shit on him.
 

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I honestly have not really heard many people defend him. Not saying it isn't happening, but I haven't heard it. Even his own dad took a shit on him.
I won't defend everything about him, but it is BS that college athletes can't sell their own autographs while the University and NCAA are doing the same thing
 

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I won't defend everything about him, but it is BS that college athletes can't sell their own autographs while the University and NCAA are doing the same thing
Oh, I totally agree.
 

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Is Uncle Nate smarter than the NCAA?

Nate Fitch is Johnny Manziel's Mr. Everything, for better or worse
Updated: August 8, 2013, 12:15 PM ET
By Wright Thompson | ESPN.com

COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- Find one of the famous photographs of Johnny Manziel floating around the Internet: holding up wads of cash, or grinning next to a supermodel, or posing with his Heisman Trophy. Any one will probably work. Got it? Now look next to him.

That's Nate Fitch.

"Oh, Nate's on his way!" Manziel said one night at dinner, a month ago, a lifetime ago, before autograph dealers started coming out of the woodwork. "Perfect! We have a driver."

"You're gonna make him drive?" a reporter at the table said. "Poor Nate."

"No," Manziel said, deadpan, "not poor Nate."

Manziel's grandmother joked that nobody could figure out Fitch's exact role in the ever-expanding circus tent that had become the Manziels since Johnny won the Heisman.

"You know," Manziel said, "I have to think about what Nate really does."

A half dozen sources and counting have said that, among other things, Fitch helped run a Manziel autograph business, setting up signings, handling logistics. He's the unknown hole at the center of a famous person's scandal, both caught up in events and a driver of those events, a participant in a cultural tug-of-war: Will he join Manziel in the spotlight or will he slip back into the shadows?

"When Sports Illustrated does 'The Rise and Fall of Johnny Manziel,' Johnny is not going to be on the cover," one autograph broker told ESPN. "Nate will be."

Fitch is a Turtle who wants to be an E.

He's a college dropout, in the entrepreneurial sense of the word, more dreamer than slacker. He's Manziel's assistant, media coordinator, business manager, designated driver. He goes by Uncle Nate, which is a nickname Manziel says Fitch gave himself. Fitch, 20, allegedly works for free, betting on the come, looking into the future when Manziel is an NFL star. He wears a gold rope bracelet, acting like an agent on a television show, talking with confidence about tit-for-tat horse trading and his deep knowledge of the NCAA rulebook. If you wanted to get Johnny Football, at least before Sunday, Fitch could do in two days what Texas A&M couldn't do in two months. As publicists go, he handled himself like a pro. Many people in College Station know Fitch's role in Manziel's life. Over the summer, three days after the now infamous tweet, former Aggies defensive lineman Spencer Nealy walked into a local restaurant and beer hall and found Fitch posted up in the corner with his parents, who were in town from Kerrville, Texas.

"Hey, dips---," Nealy said, "when are you gonna delete Johnny's Twitter?"

This odd relationship flows from a coincidence: Fitch and Manziel were friends in high school. Among other things, this means that the NCAA counts Fitch as a pre-existing relationship. In the beginning, the Manziels said, that was part of Fitch's draw. He had a family member who promoted concerts and events, and Manziel could go with him without it being an "illegal benefit" per the NCAA. As Manziel became a star, he leaned on the people he knew before everything changed. He lived out Drake's song "No New Friends." When Manziel rose, so did Fitch. It started innocent and fun. Last fall, Fitch got into Manziel's Twitter account and posted a phone number for "fan questions." The number belonged to Fitch's roommate, whose phone died after more than 7,000 text messages and 1,500 FaceTime requests.

"These are still just college kids," Fitch's dad said, listening to his son tell the story in the restaurant.

Fitch is up for anything, ready to go anywhere with Manziel. He enjoyed being friends with the famous guy, but as last season progressed, he realized that there might be more than some wild nights in it for him. Manziel trusted him.

"After the Heisman, he needed help," Fitch said. "There are opportunities here for people. It got real."

Fitch started "working" full-time, separating himself from the other friends who were content to remain Turtles. He wanted something more. This worried the Manziel family, whose unease about Fitch was palpable, even before word of the autographs. After the Aggies' trip to Oxford, Miss., Fitch told Michelle Manziel that he wanted to go to school at Ole Miss, and Michelle later joked that she'd fill out the application for him. In the summer, before the autograph stories began breaking, Michelle expressed hope that eventually Fitch would find his way out of her son's life, just as he found his way in.

Sitting in the corner of the restaurant, talking to a reporter writing a Johnny Manziel profile, Fitch drank his beer. A black Mercedes-Benz swung into the parking lot. Beautiful women started unfolding themselves out of it and Fitch smiled, wondering if Manziel had decided to come out on the town. He looked closer. It wasn't Manziel's Benz.

"Those girls are only 8s," Fitch said.

Fitch laughed. In time, he'll be smooth. Right now, he can seem less like an operator and more like someone playing an operator, using the right words, and even the right body language, but just as new to this world as his friend. Almost overnight, both have found themselves playing on a big stage, and there are many things to gain, and many things to lose.

In the restaurant, the new Aggies quarterback coach, Jake Spavital, wandered in and sat at a booth. Nate slid in across from him. It was the first time they'd met, Manziel's coach and Manziel's personal assistant. They talked quietly, and Fitch said something like, "I'd love to work with you," and Spavital just stared at him, unsure how to respond. The look on his face was a cartoon thought bubble: Why does the quarterback have a personal assistant, and why in the hell is he talking to me?

So now Fitch is where he thought he wanted to be: at the center of the action. On the day after the autograph news broke, his mother said, in a Twitter direct message, "It's been a Fahrenheit 451 kinda day." Nate didn't, and hasn't, responded to text messages. He's gone underground. Everyone inside the Manziel inner circle has been told to keep quiet. There's no way to tell from the outside if Fitch is still in control, or if he's a panicked mess huddled in a corner, or if the family has decided to hire high-priced attorneys and call in the adults.

All of the allegations seem wound together, complicated. But really, the whole thing is fairly simple. Did Johnny take money for autographs or know they would ultimately be sold? If not, then he can go about his life. If he did, then his future essentially comes down to a single question: Is Uncle Nate smarter than the NCAA?

"They're gonna have a hard time proving it," a former NCAA enforcement official told ESPN. "Where's the proof?"

James Garland is the lead NCAA investigator, and he has been trying to get people to talk for months. He's part of an investigative office that has been depleted due to a growing number of departures. The NCAA can compel Manziel to cooperate, and maybe even Fitch, but if everyone sticks to their stories, the autograph brokers stay silent, and if Nate covered his tracks, then all this smoke won't lead Garland back to a fire.

If Nate …

A month ago, Fitch and Manziel and a crew of friends met up in Tyler, Texas. They hung out on a country singer's tour bus and then it was time to walk around to the front door of the honky-tonk for the show. It was a Texas Wednesday night, with muffled music echoing off the sheet metal walls.

The tension built at the door.

A small crowd gathered in the dark by the vestibule, peeking for a look at the football star. In the loud shadows, it became hard to tell what was and wasn't aggressive. Manziel took off his hat, and a bouncer stepped up and barked at him to put it back on, flexing on the superstar. Fitch stepped in, and before anything could escalate, he pushed Manziel through the crowd into a private room near the stage.

Everyone noticed Johnny, and nobody noticed Nate.
 

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It just never stops with this guy, he's not Ryan Leaf yet but slowly and surely he's turning into him. Unless he makes drastic changes in the next few years he's going to be in for a rude awakening when he's selling insurance and 30 lbs overweight.
 

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There is nothing wrong with being 30 lbs overweight!

Why you gotta say it like that?
 

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There is nothing wrong with being 30 lbs overweight!

Why you gotta say it like that?
True, but because it's a far cry from being an NFL superstar, which I think he could be if he wasn't such a dickhead.
 

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I'm also interested in knowing what prompted the broker to go to the media with these videos. Seems kind of odd for him to take videos to ESPN out of the blue.
I kind of got my answer to this question.

This morning Dan Patrick mentioned that memorabilia dealers were pissed that Manziel trademarked "Johnny Football" and was only using that moniker when doing signings.

Therefore, anything that was previously signed "Johnny Manziel" supposedly wasn't as valuable or considered authentic and ebay refused to sell the items.

Here's a blurb from an article on the matter:

“When his family filed to patent his name, ‘Johnny Football,’ all of us dealers, and I’m talking like 500 of us, had items on eBay related to Johnny Manziel,” Rudolph told CBSSports.com Wednesday. “They weren’t necessarily signed by him. I had Heisman programs from where he won the Heisman. So on that listing it would say, ‘Johnny Manziel, Johnny Football, Texas A&M Heisman Program.’ eBay swiped across the country and took all of those items down. All of ‘em. And, in addition to that, they banned everyone who had done it for two weeks. No prior warning or nothing.
 
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