The Great Police Work Thread

Clay_Allison

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Doesnt matter if in America or not, as you have argued with police forces, the military are infiltrating places without enough probable cause and overstepping their bounds/authority.

As a group, I don't recall the Iraqis calling for America to come in and kill Saddam Hussein.

If any Seal Team 6 member was killed in their no-knock raid, we should've been all :towel.
I know you're trying to be funny, but you're doing a good job of illustrating my point. Kicking down doors and killing everybody in the house is what the military are supposed to do. We don't send them anywhere unless we want them to kill people for us.

Cops have an entirely different job function. They are supposed to kill only as a last resort.
 

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Agreed. Police aren't supposed to kill.

Military killing is last resort, too. Is military supposed to kill unarmed women and children? Why can't they just drop a nuke on the entire Middle East? We can't even torture POWs anymore.

In any case, they conducted a no knock raid without the host country's permission. If we applaud police getting killed in these, then we shouldn't be angry at the native countrymen when the military does it to their private homes.
Going into other countries and neutralizing targets with extreme prejudice is exactly what the Special Forces are supposed to do. They kill people because they are the enemy. I'm fine with that. If you're anti-war, I can dig that, but it's a different discussion.

I don't consider American citizens who have not yet been convicted of a crime enemy combatants and I think it's inappropriate to go into a house on US soil like SEAL team 6 and terminate the occupants with extreme prejudice. Hell, at least the SEALs got Osama's address right. The cops don't seem to give a shit if they even attack the right house and murder the right people.
 

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So, per your comments above, the morality line isn't about no-knock raids. It's about who is the target of no knock raids.
Yes. US citizens have a constitutional right to due process. Foreign combatants do not.

If it were Charlie Manson, Boston marathon bomber or Unabomber, would a no knock raid be okay? If a police officer were killed in that raid, would you applaud?
If the no-knock warrant was issued on probable cause of looking for a bomb or bomb-making materials, I would be ok with that warrant being issued.

That was someone else applauding officers getting killed. The safety of officers is one reason I've been saying we should stop having these raids for drugs. Drug dealers aren't just scared of the cops, they are scared of rival gangs and no knock raids don't let them realize that the police are there to arrest them (rather than a rival gang being there to execute them).

If the Suspect was found Not Guilty, as a trial is still every american's right, would the no knock raid to capture the not guilty suspect now be unjust? Consider that a jury has found OJ Simpson not guilty.
How do you find a suspect not guilty if you surprise him in the middle of the night and kill him in his bed? That's where no-knock raids make a mockery of due process. You kick in the door, scream incoherently, wear all black and ski masks, carry assault rifles and shoot anyone who responds as if he doesn't know what's going on.
 

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We haven't even broached the subject of police car chases.

Innocent people get killed during police chases. And for what? Because someone didn't pull over for a brake light being out?
A lot of police departments no longer do high speed chases for that very reason, they just issue a BOLO and try to find them further down the road. Finding a safer time and place to do things might let a few bad guys get away temporarily, but it's the right thing to do.
 

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Agreed, which is why I brought it up.

As for no-knock raids, if another country conducted one on American soil without our government's approval, I don't care if we were housing their version of Hitler, I'd applaud taking down every foreign soldier.
Sure. They'd be foreign invaders.
Disagreement is hypocritical. The US didn't do the moral thing in one sense, but I'm glad they still did it. If a Seal Team 6 member was gunned down, I couldn't fault the residents for doing so.
I wouldn't fault them either. You can't fault an enemy soldier for fighting for his country. That's what they do. War isn't a very moral environment and you have to accept the realities of it. That's why I don't want a "war on drugs" on American soil, because you bring the horrors of war home to the people of America. If an invader forces you to fight, that's one thing. Declaring a war you don't need to fight against your own people is crazy and wrong.
 

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Especially when you allow the drugs to come in in the first place.
 

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Durham cops lied about 911 calls

by John H. Tucker @JH_Tucker | July 09, 2014
Several Durham police officers lied about non-existent 911 calls to try to convince residents to allow them to search their homes, a tactic several lawyers say is illegal. The officers targeted residences where individuals with outstanding warrants were thought to be living, and told them that dispatch had received a 911 call from that address, when no such call had been made.

However, Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez says the 911 tactic was never a part of official policy. Last month, the department officially banned the practice, according to a memo from Lopez.

The tactic came to light at a court hearing on May 27, when a Durham Police officer testified it was part of official departmental policy. The hearing involved a defendant who had been charged with marijuana possession. (The INDY is not naming the defendant because the charges against her were dropped.)

In February, Officer A.B. Beck knocked on the door of the defendant's home in South-Central Durham. When the defendant answered the door, Beck told her—falsely—that someone in her home had called 911 and hung up, and that he wanted to make sure everyone was safe. The defendant permitted Beck to enter her home, where he discovered two marijuana blunts and a marijuana grinder.

When Beck took the witness stand, he admitted to fabricating the 911 story in order to enter the house. Beck testified that his true intent was to serve a warrant, though he never produced the warrant in the courtroom.

Beck further testified that the 911 ruse was permitted under a department policy in cases where domestic violence is alleged, recalled Morgan Canady, the defendant's lawyer.

During cross-examination, Canady quizzed Beck further.

Did you say there was a 911 hang-up? she asked.

Yes, he said.

But there was not a 911 hang-up?

No.

So you entered the house based on a lie?

Yes.

And this is your policy for domestic violence warrants?

Yes.

At that point Canady made a motion to suppress the marijuana evidence. Since the defendant's consent was based on false premises, Canady reasoned, the consent was not informed and voluntary. Marcia Morey, chief district judge for Durham County, allowed the motion to suppress the evidence.

"You cannot enter someone's house based on a lie," Morey said from the bench during the hearing.

Without the evidence, the district attorney's office dropped the charges.

"People have a constitutional right to privacy, and you can't fake someone out of their constitutional rights," said Durham defense attorney Brian Aus, who was not involved with the case. "You've got to be honest about this stuff."

Ten days after the case was dropped, Chief Lopez sent a memo to all police department personnel banned the 911 ruse tactic. The department provided a copy of the memo to the INDY.

"It has recently been brought to my attention that some officers have informed citizens that there has been a 911 hang-up call from their residence in order to obtain consent to enter for the actual purpose of looking for wanted persons on outstanding warrants," said the memo. "Effective immediately no officer will inform a citizen that there has been any call to the emergency communications center, including a hang-up call, when there in fact has been no such call."

Asked why Officer Beck considered the 911 ruse tactic permissible, a police spokesperson said, "the department is looking into that."
 

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Durham cops lied about 911 calls

by John H. Tucker @JH_Tucker | July 09, 2014
Several Durham police officers lied about non-existent 911 calls to try to convince residents to allow them to search their homes, a tactic several lawyers say is illegal. The officers targeted residences where individuals with outstanding warrants were thought to be living, and told them that dispatch had received a 911 call from that address, when no such call had been made.

However, Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez says the 911 tactic was never a part of official policy. Last month, the department officially banned the practice, according to a memo from Lopez.

The tactic came to light at a court hearing on May 27, when a Durham Police officer testified it was part of official departmental policy. The hearing involved a defendant who had been charged with marijuana possession. (The INDY is not naming the defendant because the charges against her were dropped.)

In February, Officer A.B. Beck knocked on the door of the defendant's home in South-Central Durham. When the defendant answered the door, Beck told her—falsely—that someone in her home had called 911 and hung up, and that he wanted to make sure everyone was safe. The defendant permitted Beck to enter her home, where he discovered two marijuana blunts and a marijuana grinder.

When Beck took the witness stand, he admitted to fabricating the 911 story in order to enter the house. Beck testified that his true intent was to serve a warrant, though he never produced the warrant in the courtroom.

Beck further testified that the 911 ruse was permitted under a department policy in cases where domestic violence is alleged, recalled Morgan Canady, the defendant's lawyer.

During cross-examination, Canady quizzed Beck further.

Did you say there was a 911 hang-up? she asked.

Yes, he said.

But there was not a 911 hang-up?

No.

So you entered the house based on a lie?

Yes.

And this is your policy for domestic violence warrants?

Yes.

At that point Canady made a motion to suppress the marijuana evidence. Since the defendant's consent was based on false premises, Canady reasoned, the consent was not informed and voluntary. Marcia Morey, chief district judge for Durham County, allowed the motion to suppress the evidence.

"You cannot enter someone's house based on a lie," Morey said from the bench during the hearing.

Without the evidence, the district attorney's office dropped the charges.

"People have a constitutional right to privacy, and you can't fake someone out of their constitutional rights," said Durham defense attorney Brian Aus, who was not involved with the case. "You've got to be honest about this stuff."

Ten days after the case was dropped, Chief Lopez sent a memo to all police department personnel banned the 911 ruse tactic. The department provided a copy of the memo to the INDY.

"It has recently been brought to my attention that some officers have informed citizens that there has been a 911 hang-up call from their residence in order to obtain consent to enter for the actual purpose of looking for wanted persons on outstanding warrants," said the memo. "Effective immediately no officer will inform a citizen that there has been any call to the emergency communications center, including a hang-up call, when there in fact has been no such call."

Asked why Officer Beck considered the 911 ruse tactic permissible, a police spokesperson said, "the department is looking into that."
Well, at least in this case the court did the right thing.
 

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Cop tries to shoot dog, misses, hits 10-year-old boy

Cop tries to shoot dog, misses, hits 10-year-old boy

A ten year old boy in Georgia is lucky to be alive after he was shot by a police officer who was firing his gun at a dog. According to multiple reports, the police officer was in pursuit of a robbery suspect at the time of the indecent. A dog crossed paths with the officer and he decided to shoot at it.

His shot missed the dog and the stray bullet struck the young Dakota Corbitt who was playing nearby. It is still unclear as to why the officer felt the need to shoot at the dog in the first place, and there is no indication that the dog approached the officer in a threatening manner.

The bullet entered from the back of the knee and exited out of the front of the child’s leg.

Janelle Rich, Corbitt’s sister, told reporters of the horrific experience of her brother’s attack, and said that the officer seemed to have no remorse about what he had done.

“I ran out the house with one of my kids and saw my little brother on the porch pouring blood. He [the officer] was sitting there like he didn’t have a care in the world.” Rich said.

The officers name has not been released, nor has any information about his disciplinary action.

After the Dakota was shot he was rushed to Coffee Regional Medical Center and then transferred to Savannah Memorial Hospital where he was held for several hours for surgery.

The family waited in the hospital all night thinking that their son would need surgery. Luckily, hours later after lengthy examinations, they were told that the boy would not need surgery because no vital arteries were hit by the bullet. The full extent of the wound is unknown, and it is likely that the child will be traumatized for his entire life.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation was called to investigate the shooting, however since that is just another state institution it is doubtful that the family will see any justice.


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-shoot-dog-misses-hits-10-year/#vm32V0qYHerPmwWs.99
 

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Target security officer fired after reporting shoplifting

Washington Post
By Tom Jackman
July 13, 2014
Dallas Northington spent nearly eight years working for Target in loss prevention, roaming the stores and scanning the surveillance cameras. In an episode at the Leesburg Target store in May that he said was typical, a man was allegedly captured twice on video shoplifting, and Northington responded as he said he always did: He called the Leesburg police, made a report and provided them the videos of the two incidents.

But the man in the video may have been a Fairfax County sheriff’s deputy, Northington said he soon learned. And within days, two things happened: The deputy retired from the sheriff’s office and Target fired Northington, 29, a married father of two with a third child on the way.

Northington said Target officials told him that he had violated procedure by not filling out the proper paperwork before contacting the police, though he said his office had operated the same way for years. He said he also was told that he had been insubordinate for not seeking approval before calling police, though he said the standard practice was for him to act as needed.


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/security-guard-catches-cop-shoplifting-turns-in-fired/#ldqgThuL8KDXGxY2.99
 

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Far too common these days

How's that?
According to stats jeebs posted and I corrected, it happens at about a 2% rate. But, carry on with your witchhunt if it makes you feel vindicated.
 

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Target security officer fired after reporting shoplifting

Washington Post
By Tom Jackman
July 13, 2014
Dallas Northington spent nearly eight years working for Target in loss prevention, roaming the stores and scanning the surveillance cameras. In an episode at the Leesburg Target store in May that he said was typical, a man was allegedly captured twice on video shoplifting, and Northington responded as he said he always did: He called the Leesburg police, made a report and provided them the videos of the two incidents.

But the man in the video may have been a Fairfax County sheriff’s deputy, Northington said he soon learned. And within days, two things happened: The deputy retired from the sheriff’s office and Target fired Northington, 29, a married father of two with a third child on the way.

Northington said Target officials told him that he had violated procedure by not filling out the proper paperwork before contacting the police, though he said his office had operated the same way for years. He said he also was told that he had been insubordinate for not seeking approval before calling police, though he said the standard practice was for him to act as needed.


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/security-guard-catches-cop-shoplifting-turns-in-fired/#ldqgThuL8KDXGxY2.99
So, don't shop at Target anymore. This has nothing at all to do with this thread. You have just run out of stupid shit to post.
 
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