The Great Police Work Thread

[jeebs]

Sometime it could be accidental or even judgemental errors without the intent to kill.

If you shoot an innocent, that aint exactly what I call accidental or a judgement problem. Running over someone in the crosswalk, okay...

 

[jeebs]

And your "guessing" doesn't automatically bump something from .4% to 10%. Stupid, indeed.

My guesing and math was laid out for anyone to follow in the original post. I guess I was confused on how someone could not understand where my derivative numbers came from.

 

[Cotton]

You say you don't want cops to kill innocent people, but you still want to green light no-knock raids every time there's an anonymous tip someone has dope. You could eliminate 9/10 of these bad stories if you either eliminated those entirely or restricted them to big time Federal level cases.

Yeah, I'm sure all these judges just grant no-knock warrants on an anonymous tip. Where the hell do you even get this nonsense?

 

[Cotton]

Okay, 500 murders committed by police, with 120,000 police that puts us with a .4% murder rate for officers. Figure an officer has a 25 year career, and all the sudden is starts looking like a 10% murder rate for officers. America's finest. 1 in 10 will kill you and Iamtdg will cheer as only in 1 in a 1000 is prosecuted for it. Because they protect us!!!


Think of the danger from criminals if these pricks werent here!

As of 2006, there were 683,396 cops on the streets. So, try again with your ridiculous made up numbers.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_police_officers_are_employed_in_the_United_States

Yahoo answers comes back with 800k.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080616105107AAsrZsO

 

[Cotton]

God people are stupid, it was 500 INNOCENT victims that I found on multiple sites. Then I found 120,000 police on wiki. Then I just didivided to get %.4. Then I guessed at a 25 year career

Fudging the numbers again...

In 2008, federal police employed approx. 120,000 full-time law enforcement officers, authorized to make arrests and carry firearms in the United States.

That's just federal police.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million persons on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000 part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers.

Same wiki article.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Yeah, I'm sure all these judges just grant no-knock warrants on an anonymous tip. Where the hell do you even get this nonsense?

So why are there so many raids on unsuspecting families? Why do cops care so little they can't even be bothered to get the right address every time? Why is no one ever punished when this shit goes horribly wrong?

Drugs may, depending on how you feel, be worth arresting people over. They aren't worth going in guns blazing like Special Forces going after terrorists. They just aren't worth killing people over.

Think about the no knock warrant for a minute. If they are really only going after big time targets, drug warehouses and manufacturing operations, could the bad guys really flush all of that evidence down the toilet in the time it takes a cop to get on a bullhorn and announce "THIS IS THE POLICE KEEP YOUR HANDS ABOVE YOUR HEAD" or whatever they need to say to give people a freaking chance to surrender?

I'm not talking about legalizing drugs or not enforcing drug laws. Let's just stop acting like it's a "war" on drugs and treat suspects like suspects and not battlefield combatants. Give them a chance to lay it down and surrender and they mostly will not fight, knowing they can't win.

The public is safer that way, the cops are safer that way, everybody wins. What's the downside? A few drug addicts get a little less jail time? They don't serve all their time now, the prison system doesn't have room for their dumb asses.

 

[Cotton]

On that same wiki page it says that between 2004 to 2008 police employment increased 5.3% a year. Factoring in the 6 years from the posted numbers in 2008 of 765,000 officers on the street, that number would be around 1.1 mill officers now on the street.

 

[Cotton]

So why are there so many raids on unsuspecting families? Why do cops care so little they can't even be bothered to get the right address every time? Why is no one ever punished when this shit goes horribly wrong?

Drugs may, depending on how you feel, be worth arresting people over. They aren't worth going in guns blazing like Special Forces going after terrorists. They just aren't worth killing people over.

Think about the no knock warrant for a minute. If they are really only going after big time targets, drug warehouses and manufacturing operations, could the bad guys really flush all of that evidence down the toilet in the time it takes a cop to get on a bullhorn and announce "THIS IS THE POLICE KEEP YOUR HANDS ABOVE YOUR HEAD" or whatever they need to say to give people a freaking chance to surrender?

I'm not talking about legalizing drugs or not enforcing drug laws. Let's just stop acting like it's a "war" on drugs and treat suspects like suspects and not battlefield combatants. Give them a chance to lay it down and surrender and they mostly will not fight, knowing they can't win.

The public is safer that way, the cops are safer that way, everybody wins. What's the downside? A few drug addicts get a little less jail time? They don't serve all their time now, the prison system doesn't have room for their dumb asses.

Dude, I agree that the war on drugs the way it being implemented at times is a huge waste of time and resources. Pot should be legal. Take that out of the equation and a ton of the no-knocks go away.

 

[Clay_Allison]

On that same wiki page it says that between 2004 to 2008 police employment increased 5.83% a year. Factoring in the 6 years from the posted numbers in 2008 of 765,000 officers on the street, that number would be around 1.1 mill officers now on the street.

No wonder violence has gone up. Jesus, adding in turnover and baby boomer cops retiring, that's like half a million rookie cops out there with no experience and little common sense. Probably a lot of them are military guys who are still acting like they are in combat because they haven't been trained to treat Americans differently from Taliban.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Dude, I agree that the war on drugs the way it being implemented at times is a huge waste of time and resources. Pot should be legal. Take that out of the equation and a ton of the no-knocks go away.

I've never heard of a no-knock warrant being issued for anything but drugs, before the war on drugs there was literally no such thing. It was invented because the cops complained about drug dealers flushing evidence and for some reason they couldn't let a few grams of whatever go for the sake of safety. It was more understandable in the 80s and 90s when crime was sky high and violence was at a peak. Now crime is much lower and the cops seem to be using the same tactics for no reason.

 

[Cotton]

No wonder violence has gone up. Jesus, adding in turnover and baby boomer cops retiring, that's like half a million rookie cops out there with no experience and little common sense. Probably a lot of them are military guys who are still acting like they are in combat because they haven't been trained to treat Americans differently from Taliban.

Factoring in the real numbers makes jeebs ridiculous statement about percentages a lot more ridiculous.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Factoring in the real numbers makes jeebs ridiculous statement about percentages a lot more ridiculous.

But it makes recent issues make a lot more sense. Seasoned police officers are way way less likely to be fuck ups. Every time you hire a new officer you take a chance on him being a problem. When you get to the point where you have veritable rookies training rookies because of the older generation retiring and massive expansion, a lot of training is going to get lost in the shuffle and a lot of mistakes will be made.

Imagine a million engineers building bridges and half of them are right out of college. Some of those bridges are going to collapse.

 

[jeebs]

Factoring in the real numbers makes jeebs ridiculous statement about percentages a lot more ridiculous.

I fully admit that my point was debunked and it was not my finest hour.

 

[Cotton]

But it makes recent issues make a lot more sense. Seasoned police officers are way way less likely to be fuck ups. Every time you hire a new officer you take a chance on him being a problem. When you get to the point where you have veritable rookies training rookies because of the older generation retiring and massive expansion, a lot of training is going to get lost in the shuffle and a lot of mistakes will be made.

Imagine a million engineers building bridges and half of them are right out of college. Some of those bridges are going to collapse.

Speculation. Try again, counselor.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Speculation. Try again, counselor.

Now you're just being weird.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Virginia police plan to force 17-year-old boy to have an erection and snap photos

Virginia police plan to force 17-year-old boy to have an erection and snap photos

A 17 year-old Virginia teenage boy who is in hot water after sexting his 15-year-old girlfriend could be forced to have an erection by police so that they can take a picture and compare it to the sext as evidence.
“The prosecutor’s job is to seek justice. What is just about this? How does this advance the interest of the Commonwealth? This is a 17-year-old who goes to school every day, plays football, has never been in trouble with the law before. Now he’s saddled with two felonies and the implication that he’s a sexual predator,” Jessica Harbeson Foster, the teen’s defense attorney, told the Washington Post.
The teenager is being charged with two felonies: possession of child pornography — namely, the sexts from his girlfriend — and manufacturing child pornography (the lewd video of himself).
A guilty verdict would leave him a registered sex offender for life and jailed until he’s 21 years old.
“I don’t mind trying the case. My goal is to stop the search warrant. I don’t want him to go through that. Taking him down to the hospital so he can get an erection in front of all those cops — that’s traumatizing,” Harbeson Foster said. “[They're going to] use special software to compare pictures of this penis to this penis. Who does this? It’s just crazy,” she added.
The plan is to bring him to a hospital, give him an injection, take the pictures and move on with their lives.
It’s a terribly ironic thing that manufactured child pornography may be prosecuted with the help of police-manufactured child pornography.
- See more at: http://rare.us/story/virginia-police-plan-to-force-17-year-old-boy-to-have-an-erection-and-snap-photos-because-justice/#sthash.ElpI4BZ7.dpuf

 

[Jon88]

Good god. Find something else to do. Dumb pieces of shit...

 

[jeebs]

Don't worry, I have nothing to hide. I will send a pic of my erection to any cop who wants it (no homo).

 

[Jon88]

This has been one of the best threads ever. At least something good can come from these fucktards.

 

[jeebs]

Some argue the same for our soldiers in foreign countries.

Our soldiers aren't kicking down doors in America or I would agree with the .