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Good stuff there. Kind of the PG version of the McGinn series.

I've always wondered how closely these scouts are evaluated. You'd think it would be very seriously, but it isn't here. Look at how long some of these scouts have been here. Of course we don't know how often they're right and Jerry or a coach overrides them, but still.
If I were a team I'd track my scouts success rate. Not just on players we drafted but on players we didn't draft as well. It shouldn't be that difficult to do. And in the end you should be able to find the best scouts based on their ratings and match those against the real life outcomes. And yet, I don't think much of that actually takes place.
 

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If I were a team I'd track my scouts success rate. Not just on players we drafted but on players we didn't draft as well. It shouldn't be that difficult to do. And in the end you should be able to find the best scouts based on their ratings and match those against the real life outcomes. And yet, I don't think much of that actually takes place.
Exactly, and I wonder why that is. Look at Broaddus' stupid ass opinions -- how did he ever get a job here and why did it take Parcells to fire him? I'd think there would be a lot of turnover there because as you say, it's pretty easy to evaluate how good they are at their job, and they're relatively cheap to replace. But it doesn't seem to operate that way. Maybe it does at other teams, I'm not sure.
 

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Exactly, and I wonder why that is. Look at Broaddus' stupid ass opinions -- how did he ever get a job here and why did it take Parcells to fire him? I'd think there would be a lot of turnover there because as you say, it's pretty easy to evaluate how good they are at their job, and they're relatively cheap to replace. But it doesn't seem to operate that way. Maybe it does at other teams, I'm not sure.
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Exactly, and I wonder why that is. Look at Broaddus' stupid ass opinions -- how did he ever get a job here and why did it take Parcells to fire him? I'd think there would be a lot of turnover there because as you say, it's pretty easy to evaluate how good they are at their job, and they're relatively cheap to replace. But it doesn't seem to operate that way. Maybe it does at other teams, I'm not sure.
This is where you think analytics could actually work really well. Not analytics to judge the prospects. But analytics to judge the accuracy of scouts. You could even get in depth with it to determine what a scout is best at and what he is worst at. Maybe your area scout is great at evaluating LBers but has a terrible track record with DTs. You'd at least know that you shouldn't put much weight in his opinion on DT's and lean more heavily on someone else to evaluate that position.

And you can even take into account guys who fail because of injury vs. talent vs. character. It would be a way to continually improve your scouting department. And maybe some teams do this, but I get the feeling that they don't. That it's just sort of a good old boys chat it up thing instead of a cut throat be the best sort of thing.
 

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IMO, it should be relatively easy if you've been in football all your life to scout someone to see if they can physically play in the NFL, the hard part is figuring out their mental makeup, sifting through the bullshit, lies, and the prep they get from agents and other professionals that prepare a prospect to tell organizations exactly what they want to hear.
 

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In a perfect world. Not using draft sites.
1 Matthew Golden
2 Trevyon Henderson
3 Alfred Collins/Jai Toya DT
5 Kyle MccordDevin Neal/Tahj Brooks RB
5 Denzel Burke/ Zah Frazier/ Jordan Hancock CB
6 Jordan Watkins WR Ole Miss
6 Gavin Bartholomew TE Pitt
7 Luke Kandra/Marcus Tate OG
7 Montrell Johnson RB Florida
7 Elijah Ponder Edge Cal Poly

FA Seth Hennigan/cam Miller Qb
Dymere miller WrRutgers
Kydran Jenkins Edge Purdue
Payton page DT Clemson
Jail in Walker LB Indiana
Jalen Kimber CB Penn state
Jj Robert’s S Marshall

our brain trust goes by position anyway and we have options that fall within those parameters and that is where I kept some of these.
 

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Talk on ESPN of multiple teams wanting g to trade up past Raiders for Jeanty.
 

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They wouldn’t be wrong either, so long as it’s one of the final pieces like he was in Philly
Those teams are picking 25-32 and could you imagine the cost to go up that high? You better be right or you totally fucked yourself.
 

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Those teams are picking 25-32 and could you imagine the cost to go up that high? You better be right or you totally fucked yourself.

Yeah, that would be stupid. I'm not crazy about taking a rb in the first period, though I wouldn't be upset if Jeanty fell to use. Damn sure wouldn't trade up for one. Absurd.
 

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The team draft PC was/is today (I'm joining late).

First is several minutes of Jerry kissing up to David Moore, who apparently is retiring.

Next is Clarence Hill asking Jerry what he thinks about the Luka trade. :doh

We're off to a roaring start.

Oh, and it's Jerry doing 90% of the talking, with some Stephen and some McClay. BS is sitting so far at the end of the table he's almost outside of it. No questions even to BS yet several minutes in.

One thing I notice is, Broaddus said the other day (on that show when he claimed Revel was #10 overall) that BS wanted the scouts to do the evaluating and coaches stay out of it more. Now Jerry is going on about how BS really fired the coaches up to make their voices heard, and "Flus" :doh in particular was really speaking up.
 
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The team draft PC was/is today (I'm joining late).

First is several minutes of Jerry kissing up to David Moore, who apparently is retiring.

Next is Clarence Hill asking Jerry what he thinks about the Luka trade. :doh

We're off to a roaring start.

Oh, and it's Jerry doing 90% of the talking, with some Stephen and some McClay. BS is sitting so far at the end of the table he's almost outside of it. No questions even to BS yet several minutes in.
I'm not even sure who the hell David Moore is to be honest with you.
 

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I'm not even sure who the hell David Moore is to be honest with you.
Really? The DMN reporter who has covered the team since the Landry days. One of the better old school reporters who isn't just a team mouthpiece or lackey.
 

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Few more overall takeaways, no point in doing a play-by-play on this mostly bag of nothing:

Jerry was asked about QB and said we have a major commitment to Dak but players do get hurt. Then later came back and said something similar. Makes me wonder if they're thinking about a QB. Of course it could be someone so late they don't matter.

Also, Jerry really played up the importance of the OL to the running game (and everything). Said we've had a lot of success the last many years with the Zack Martin types. (There's that "we've been so successful again. :doh ) Also kind of downplayed the importance of the RB. Said last year was more about OL problems than RB problems. He could be playing possum but I don't think so in this case. Makes me think maybe there's some truth to that report about Simmons.

BS did say that the scouts know more about these players than we coaches do. Jerry later openly gave him a pep talk to speak up about the players he likes. :doh
 

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Really? The DMN reporter who has covered the team since the Landry days. One of the better old school reporters who isn't just a team mouthpiece or lackey.
Yeah, he has been around for a long time.
 

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Also kind of downplayed the importance of the RB. Said last year was more about OL problems than RB problems.
This is him excusing the pathetic Zeke play. Despite the fact that a JAG in Dowdle was productive behind the same or worse Oline.
 

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This is him excusing the pathetic Zeke play. Despite the fact that a JAG in Dowdle was productive behind the same or worse Oline.
That was my thought exactly. How much of that did he really believe and how much was just him defending his horrific Zeke signing.
 

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That was my thought exactly. How much of that did he really believe and how much was just him defending his horrific Zeke signing.
Don't get me wrong, Oline play and scheme have a lot to do with a running game. You want to know why Barkley had an insane season? Scheme, coaching and Oline were a large part of that. Same reason why Sanders looked like a good RB before he left Philly and sucked. But the RB matters too. And what you'll notice about that Philly Oline is that it's not made up of a bunch of first round picks. Oline play isn't just about having 5 of the most physically lifted dudes in the NFL. It's a lot of coaching and scheme.

But if the RB didn't matter Dowdle would have performed the same as Zeke. Which just flat out wasn't the case.
 
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