2024 Season | Week 5 | Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ Steelers | 10/6/2024

[dpf1123]

 

[Bipo]

So paying someone 60 mil means that a player is going to play perfect? Who gives a shit about the money. Would you be thrilled with the performance if he made 50 mil instead?

I simply expect consistent elite qb play for what he is paid.

 

[Texas Ace]

Speaking of which, Turpin was pretty solid also.

Like I said before, the guy is not some sort of elite weapon that we should be designing plays for as often as we do, but he's also not some total waste of space out there either.

He can and does make plays both as a receiver and occasionally on a sweep play of some sort.

The trouble we run into is when we try to overuse him as if he's an elite gadget player when he's not.

 

[Smitty]

I said during the week that Cooks was more or less our 4th option in the passing game now, even before last night I think Tolbert had supplanted him slightly as the WR2.

I don't think he'll ever be better than average 2/very good 3, but that's still valuable considering how terrible he was as a rookie.

Lamb/Ferguson/Tolbert/Cooks is the passing game pecking order moving forward, which isn't great, but it's not terrible either. The real issue is that our running game is putrid.

We need WR and RB help bad, that WR core isn't great even with Tolbert supplanting Cooks.

 

[Smitty]

So paying someone 60 mil means that a player is going to play perfect? Who gives a shit about the money. Would you be thrilled with the performance if he made 50 mil instead?

If the league were uncapped there'd be no reason to care about money but it's a zero sum game. When you pay a player $60m, you have way less to pay the guys around him, and so you need him to really elevate the guys around him.

It's nice that Dak had a decent fourth quarter, but it remains apparent what he is. No, he's not "Quincy Carter with a broken arm," but when you pay a guy $60m and then can't surround him with big talent everywhere you need him to make up for that and too often he does not.

Glad he had a good fourth quarter, would have been better if he had put up more than 6 points through the first three.

He's a guy that will have his own struggles too often, which, for all his 11 win seasons, it's why he doesn't win in the playoffs.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Like I said before, the guy is not some sort of elite weapon that we should be designing plays for as often as we do, but he's also not some total waste of space out there either.

He can and does make plays both as a receiver and occasionally on a sweep play of some sort.

The trouble we run into is when we try to overuse him as if he's an elite gadget player when he's not.

I think they're just trying anything they can to generate some big plays. He's one of the only guys we have besides CeeDee with that ability.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It's nice that Dak had a decent fourth quarter, but it remains apparent what he is. No, he's not "Quincy Carter with a broken arm," but when you pay a guy $60m and then can't surround him with big talent everywhere you need him to make up for that and too often he does not.

It's a sunk cost. You paid him. He is who he is. You over paid him, under paid him, or paid him just right none of that matters now. It's done. Saying you need him to play like a 60 mil dollar QB means nothing. If you buy a $100,000 car and the engine blows, yelling at the car that you paid $100,000 and expect perfection will get you nowhere.

We need Dak to not make the boneheaded interception or hold the ball to long, or we just need him to play better. All valid things. But saying it's because he is making 60 mil is a pointless thing to say.

 

[Rev]

Like I said before, the guy is not some sort of elite weapon that we should be designing plays for as often as we do, but he's also not some total waste of space out there either.

He can and does make plays both as a receiver and occasionally on a sweep play of some sort.

The trouble we run into is when we try to overuse him as if he's an elite gadget player when he's not.

Well he will get some supreme coaching next year when we bring in Deion as HC.

 

[Smitty]

It's a sunk cost. You paid him. He is who he is. You over paid him, under paid him, or paid him just right none of that matters now. It's done. Saying you need him to play like a 60 mil dollar QB means nothing. If you buy a $100,000 car and the engine blows, yelling at the car that you paid $100,000 and expect perfection will get you nowhere.

We need Dak to not make the boneheaded interception or hold the ball to long, or we just need him to play better. All valid things. But saying it's because he is making 60 mil is a pointless thing to say.

It is and it isn't.

If his salary is hurting the construction of the team, at some point you can get rid of him.

 

[Texas Ace]

Well he will get some supreme coaching next year when we bring in Deion as HC.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It is and it isn't.

If his salary is hurting the construction of the team, at some point you can get rid of him.

Isn't the contract guaranteed?

Besides we have 20+ mil in cap room now. I need Dlaw to play like a 20 mil DE. Hell Zeke counts like 8 mil against the cap. I need him to play like an 8 million dollar RB (6mil is dead money). But saying those things is just as meaningless as saying it about Dak.

 

[Rev]

Isn't the contract guaranteed?

all but 9 million I believe.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

all but 9 million I believe.

Yeah, so I guess we can argue if Dak is worth 9 mil or something.

 

[bbgun]

He gets credit for the final drive, but the game was only close because of his fuckups (two picks and a fumble).

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He gets credit for the final drive, but the game was only close because of his fuckups (two picks and a fumble).

I agree with that. Of course without the 350 yards passing including some big time throws the game isn't close for other reasons.

 

[Rev]

@Sheik

 

[Smitty]

Isn't the contract guaranteed?

Besides we have 20+ mil in cap room now. I need Dlaw to play like a 20 mil DE. Hell Zeke counts like 8 mil against the cap. I need him to play like an 8 million dollar RB (6mil is dead money). But saying those things is just as meaningless as saying it about Dak.

Extremely valid to say we are wasting money other places too.

We are not a well constructed team.

Dak's contract is probably the biggest problem though.

 

[Simpleton]

The Steelers had a season-low in both total yards and rushing yards, and it was the only time they were under 100 rushing on the year, while they gave up a season-high in total yards as well as passing yards, with it being the first time they gave up 250+ passing (Dak had 300+).

I think the ridiculous red zone turnovers and the blocked FG are muddying how dominant a performance it was. If we just score FG's on 2/3 of those possessions the game would've been well in hand.

Very impressive road performance against a top-tier defense, although the sloppiness and undisciplined bullshit that has been a hallmark of McCarthy's teams here kept the final score from showing it.

 

[Smitty]

Yeah, so I guess we can argue if Dak is worth 9 mil or something.

The "he's not worth it" conversation isn't necessarily just about whether he should immediately be moved but also whether it should be a lesson we should learn for the future (it is, but we won't).