2023 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[Smitty]

Dak aint going anywhere. Family potrait.

Then we aren't going anywhere.

 

[Bill Shatner]

Cowboys getting absolutely savaged on ESPN. Makes me feel good in a perverse way.

 

[dpf1123]

Maybe, but it's worth a shot.

Agreed. Jerry's 81. They are both running out of time. Maybe you get lightning in a bottle, maybe you get a mess. I don't think you'll get an in-between like we do now.

 

[son of deadrise]

Nothing will change while Dak is here.

Frankly, nothing is gonna change while Jerry is here.

But if we table the GM discussion, the next most blameworthy individual is the QB, not the coach.

How do you table the GM discussion without tabling the Dak discussion? And if you table those two discussions, every other discussion -- draft picks, FAs, trades, etc. -- is completely pointless, meaningless, a waste of oxygen.

 

[Smitty]

How do you table the GM discussion without tabling the Dak discussion? And if you table those two discussions, every other discussion -- draft picks, FAs, trades, etc. -- is completely pointless, meaningless, a waste of oxygen.

Well, that's true.

We're screwed. We all know that the incompetent GM is going to scapegoat the coach most likely. The next most likely outcome is that he just returns everything out of laziness and ineptitude in regards to actually researching or knowing what else to do.

But yeah he'll fire the coach or coordinators or something and return himself as GM and Dak as QB because that's what he wants. He's a football ignoramus and he will serve us up a team next season that has zero chance of doing more than winning a wild card game.

That's it.

Get used to it.

Next year when we are leading the division at the three-quarter mark of the season, just remember that this is how it ends. Remember that no matter how great a season Dak or Lamb or Parsons is having.

This is it.

 

[son of deadrise]

This may be an unpopular take, but I want nothing to do with Belichick. If we move on let's go with a younger coach.

Amen. It's the savior syndrome that prevails in so many posts. We need someone, anyone, anything to save us from Jerry.

Belichick is a retread at this point. Don't know of Vraebel fits that category or not. But whoever it is, Jerry's going to finally have to turn the keys over, and he won't do that.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Amen. It's the savior syndrome that prevails in so many posts. We need someone, anyone, anything to save us from Jerry.

Belichick is a retread at this point. Don't know of Vraebel fits that category or not. But whoever it is, Jerry's going to finally have to turn the keys over, and he won't do that.

So if he hired arguably the best coach of all time, you'd hate it.

And if he hired a young unproven kid like Slowik you'd hate it.

Most of us hate Jerry, but at least try to be somewhat fair and reasonable about it.

 

[dpf1123]

 

[Smitty]

So if he hired arguably the best coach of all time, you'd hate it.

And if he hired a young unproven kid like Slowik you'd hate it.

Most of us hate Jerry, but at least try to be somewhat fair and reasonable about it.

I don't think it's unfair to be pessimistic about Belichick at this point.

Like, we all know Jimmy Johnson was a great coach but it's "fair and reasonable," to say McCarthy is a better coach right now as we stand here today.

Time changes things. Belichick was great, but I can't think of anything he's done well in years. Isn't he a supposed defensive guru? Pats defenses have been nothing special. He's trainwrecked their offense too. And this is a team that needs QB improvement. Why would I trust he can do that? He couldn't in NE the last 4 years.

 

[boozeman]

It will if he is going to go after a high profile coach.

Honestly, I don't see anything happening. I don't think Jones has it in him to mash the reset button at this stage in his life with a coach like Belichick. It just would not make a lot of sense.

 

[Bill Shatner]

 

[dpf1123]

It will if he is going to go after a high profile coach.

Honestly, I don't see anything happening. I don't think Jones has it in him to mash the reset button at this stage in his life with a coach like Belichick. It just would not make a lot of sense.

RIght. What should happen and what will happen are completely different things. Jones will continue the eternal optimism and desire to keep guys "he" drafted well beyond their expiration date.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Honestly, I don't see anything happening. I don't think Jones has it in him to mash the reset button at this stage in his life with a coach like Belichick. It just would not make a lot of sense.

Props. My dad uses that term in that way, as his dad did.

Maybe you aren't a yankee.

 

[Smitty]

I doubt Jerry actually wants to fire McCarthy, but not for the right reasons.

I think he's lazy and comfortable enough that he won't do a real evaluation of what needs to change. He'll practice some speeches in front of the mirror to hoodwink the media and the suckers about how so-and-so gives us the best chance to win and that'll be that.

The reality is that things DO need to change and the GM isn't interested in making any of those changes that matter.

The only way I'm ok with changing the coach is that if the coach is an impediment to making the other changes (GM, QB) that need to be made.

Otherwise I think this coach is as good as it gets for us.

 

[son of deadrise]

So if he hired arguably the best coach of all time, you'd hate it.

And if he hired a young unproven kid like Slowik you'd hate it.

Most of us hate Jerry, but at least try to be somewhat fair and reasonable about it.

Jerry's been putting the screws to fans for 30 years. He doesn't deserve any fairness. Any other GM with his record would have been fired five time over. But he stays because he can, and fans pay the price for his insufferable ego. What's fair about that?

It doesn't matter which coach he hires because his model is doomed to failure and he won't change it. How fair is that?

Fuck him and fuck fair.

 

[dpf1123]

So if McCarthy stays, what happens with Quinn if he doesn't get one of these open jobs? And after last night, I don't see that happening.

His defense has been de-pantsed by the Shanahan tree too many times. The only way you can make up for the deficiencies of Prescott is with an all time defense.

 

[boozeman]

I doubt Jerry actually wants to fire McCarthy, but not for the right reasons.

I think he's lazy and comfortable enough that he won't do a real evaluation of what needs to change. He'll practice some speeches in front of the mirror to hoodwink the media and the suckers about how so-and-so gives us the best chance to win and that'll be that.

The reality is that things DO need to change and the GM isn't interested in making any of those changes that matter.

The only way I'm ok with changing the coach is that if the coach is an impediment to making the other changes (GM, QB) that need to be made.

Otherwise I think this coach is as good as it gets for us.

Any coach we could get would still have to deal with the real issue and that is the engrained organizational culture that is as predictable as the sun rising and setting.

Every offseason is the same.

We will still do things the same this offseason too.

The Joneses will still gather together as a family in the Caribbean.

We will see the same type of drafting.

We will see the same type of inactivity in free agency and overvaluing of our own talent.

The values of the organization will not change with another coach in here.

I don't give a shit how smart the coach is. They will not be able to beat that culture.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Jerry's been putting the screws to fans for 30 years. He doesn't deserve any fairness. Any other GM with his record would have been fired five time over. But he stays because he can, and fans pay the price for his insufferable ego. What's fair about that?

Good points dude. Never considered that before.

 

[boozeman]

Jerry's been putting the screws to fans for 30 years. He doesn't deserve any fairness. Any other GM with his record would have been fired five time over. But he stays because he can, and fans pay the price for his insufferable ego. What's fair about that?

It doesn't matter which coach he hires because his model is doomed to failure and he won't change it. How fair is that?

Fuck him and fuck fair.

Well, he ain't dead yet, so what is your point?

 

[Rev]

Good points dude. Never considered that before.

That's because he is on the cutting edge of original ideas. He has only been tellilng us 592 times and there is no way we would have ever thought about that years ago.