2023 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[NoDak]

The people who say “don’t blame them, you don’t know what you would do” are just excuse makers for their favorite athletes.

I would say the same thing about somebody like Aaron Rodgers and his contract situation. (in the past) And I hated that fucker.

 

[son of deadrise]

The question for Jerry is not whether he fires McCarthy, but how does he not fire McCarthy?

 

[Texas Ace]

The question for Jerry is not whether he fires McCarthy, but how does he not fire McCarthy?

Yeah, that was ugly and you can't not do anything after that.

I'm so disappointed in McCarthy because I've been one of his most staunch supporters but you can't let that performance slide.

When you come out that flat, when you had the easiest path to an NFCC, with your QB playing the best football of his life, when the entire football world was watching you to see if THIS time would be different, and you lay an egg like that????

Someone (multiple someone's, really) need to be made to pay.

That might be the single most disappointing Cowboys performance in team history and I don't think that statement is hyperbole.

I know the debate was had on this board earlier this year if the Cowboys past failures and poor recent history mattered today at all and whether it could affect or have an effect on this team and I always believed it could and did.

But now? It absolutely is going to affect them because this particular team now knows what it is to choke and be humiliated at this stage and now it's definitely going to be something that lingers in the back of their minds going forward.

I believe now you pretty much HAVE to make a coaching change in an attempt to give them something different from a psychological standpoint that they can use going into the playoffs next year that allows them to truly believe that things can be different.

If you keep everything together as is, there is no doubt in my mind that they'll be shaky as shit going into the playoffs next year no matter how good they are in the regular season.

That was a monumentally bad performance yesterday and it's the type that is so egregious that the organization is left with no other choice but to make significant changes.

 

[son of deadrise]

Yeah, that was ugly and you can't not do anything after that.

I'm so disappointed in McCarthy because I've been one of his most staunch supporters but you can't let that performance slide.

When you come out that flat, when you had the easiest path to an NFCC, with your QB playing the best football of his life, when the entire football world was watching you to see if THIS time would be different, and you lay an egg like that????

Someone (multiple someone's, really) need to be made to pay.

That might be the single most disappointing Cowboys performance in team history and I don't think that statement is hyperbole.

I know the debate was had on this board earlier this year if the Cowboys past failures and poor recent history mattered today at all and whether it could affect or have an effect on this team and I always believed it could and did.

But now? It absolutely is going to affect them because this particular team now knows what it is to choke and be humiliated at this stage and now it's definitely going to be something that lingers in the back of their minds going forward.

I believe now you pretty much HAVE to make a coaching change in an attempt to give them something different from a psychological standpoint that they can use going into the playoffs next year that allows them to truly believe that things can be different.

If you keep everything together as is, there is no doubt in my mind that they'll be shaky as shit going into the playoffs next year no matter how good they are in the regular season.

That was a monumentally bad performance yesterday and it's the type that is so egregious that the organization is left with no other choice but to make significant changes.

It really was historically bad -- not just from a team perspective but also from an NFL playoff perspective. A #7 seed team with a rookie QB playing on the road beats the daylights out of the favored team. That's just not supposed to happen, I wonder how often something like that has happened in playoff history.

How does a team just move on from that? They've got players who need extensions, salary cap issues, free agents, a coach and QB the players and fans have no faith in whatsoever. How does Jerry just decide that's okay and do nothing?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That was a monumentally bad performance yesterday and it's the type that is so egregious that the organization is left with no other choice but to make significant changes.

Agree with much of what you said, but notice how your post is all about the coaches. Nothing about the players.

It's hard to explain exactly, but the culture around this team is that it's always on coaching. Never on the "superstar" players who make tons of money. I guess because they get so much attention here that they're always overrated and the assumption is it can't be their fault, they just need to be programmed better. But it removes responsibility from their plate. And that shouldn't happen.

I'm fine with firing Mike, but do people actually in their heart of hearts believe that would change Dak into a different player? I don't.

 

[Simpleton]

Agree with much of what you said, but notice how your post is all about the coaches. Nothing about the players.

It's hard to explain exactly, but the culture around this team is that it's always on coaching. Never on the "superstar" players who make tons of money. I guess because they get so much attention here that they're always overrated and the assumption is it can't be their fault, they just need to be programmed better. But it removes responsibility from their plate. And that shouldn't happen.

I'm fine with firing Mike, but do people actually in their heart of hearts believe that would change Dak into a different player? I don't.

This is the first team to ever win 12+ games three years in a row and not make a conference championship in one of those years.

I have no idea who or what to blame exactly but clearly there's talent on the roster and the best way to try to salvage it is make a coaching change, ideally with someone like Belichick who is a grand slam swing that you hope works out.

If it doesn't within 2-3 years you can blow it up then.

 

[Texas Ace]

Agree with much of what you said, but notice how your post is all about the coaches. Nothing about the players

Because it's easier to get new coaches.

I agree these players should be made to pay as well but unless you're going to blow it all up so rebuild, and practically no organization would do that, then the closest thing is to bring a whole new staff.

I'm pissed at Micah Parsons today. All his fucking whining on his stupid podcast and him even calling out the effort of a player on another team on Saturday only to come out and do fuck all yesterday? Fuck him too.

And fuck that choking ass bitch, Dak Prescott. I already knew what he was after that collapse at the 49ers last year and said so. But this right here leaves no doubt that he will never ever be the guy that gets you where you want to go.

So yeah, I'm pissed at the players too, but it's just much easier to replace the staff then to jettison all the players and rebuild everything from the ground up.

 

[Texas Ace]

This is the first team to ever win 12+ games three years in a row and not make a conference championship in one of those years.

I have no idea who or what to blame exactly but clearly there's talent on the roster and the best way to try to salvage it is make a coaching change, ideally with someone like Belichick who is a grand slam swing that you hope works out.

If it doesn't within 2-3 years you can blow it up then.

Yeah, this is what I would do.

Most of our core players are still young and impressionable enough to have an impact made on them by a winning coach, so I think it's worth it to try with a Belichick or someone like that before pulling a 93/94 Oilers and blowing the whole thing up.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think most of us agree on Belichick. For me it has nothing to do with scheme at all, it's because he has the gravitas to say to Jerry, "This guy doesn't have the mentality. This guy is too soft. This guy is too dumb." Etc.

But would Jerry listen, even to a guy as legendary as BB? I doubt it. Jerry always thinks his players are fine and they need to be protected, not to be held accountable or even run off.

 

[Texas Ace]

I think most of us agree on Belichick. For me it has nothing to do with scheme at all, it's because he has the gravitas to say to Jerry, "This guy doesn't have the mentality. This guy is too soft. This guy is too dumb." Etc.

But would Jerry listen, even to a guy as legendary as BB? I doubt it. Jerry always thinks his players are fine and they need to be protected, not to be held accountable or even run off.

I think he would listen to him.

I mean, he listened to Parcells right?

And to a lesser degree, he has listened to McCarthy which is why we were all shocked to see Jaylon Smith get cut in the middle of a season.

I think Jerry would listen to Belichick because he knows who that guy is and what he's about and I don't think he'd even hire him if he wasn't willing to be flexible in regards to those sorts of decisions.

So yeah, if he actually hires the guy, I think he would definitely listen to him and be open to making whatever changes Belichick suggested.

 

[Simpleton]

I think most of us agree on Belichick. For me it has nothing to do with scheme at all, it's because he has the gravitas to say to Jerry, "This guy doesn't have the mentality. This guy is too soft. This guy is too dumb." Etc.

But would Jerry listen, even to a guy as legendary as BB? I doubt it. Jerry always thinks his players are fine and they need to be protected, not to be held accountable or even run off.

Pretty much this, just take a grand slam swing on bringing in someone (the only one?) with the reputation and skins on the wall to get this pussy team over their mental block.

Yesterday had almost nothing to do with talent or scheme, they came out making stupid mistakes in every phase of the game and were in the tank from the very start. They had a deer in the headlights look and I'm certain they were feeling the weight of the expectations before the game even started.

Give Belichick 2-4 years to work a little magic and then move on.

 

[son of deadrise]

Belichick hasn't done anything in four years, he's 71 years old. It's very possible the game has passed him by.

He's also not insane. He'd never put up with Jerry's micro-managing.

 

[Texas Ace]

Belichick hasn't done anything in four years, he's 71 years old. It's very possible the game has passed him by.

Maybe, but it's worth a shot.

 

[Simpleton]

I think he would listen to him.

I mean, he listened to Parcells right?

And to a lesser degree, he has listened to McCarthy which is why we were all shocked to see Jaylon Smith get cut in the middle of a season.

I think Jerry would listen to Belichick because he knows who that guy is and what he's about and I don't think he'd even hire him if he wasn't willing to be flexible in regards to those sorts of decisions.

So yeah, if he actually hires the guy, I think he would definitely listen to him and be open to making whatever changes Belichick suggested.

If he hires him he knows exactly what to expect going in and would definitely listen to him.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This is the first team to ever win 12+ games three years in a row and not make a conference championship in one of those years.

If I'm being analytical and not emotional, I think this is the first real embarrassment in the playoffs. I think the Niners are just better than us, unfortunately. People made a big deal out of the Zeke snap and running out of time the year before, but those games were always lost by that point.

Now this year, yes, everything was set up perfectly and that performance was as bad as it gets. Not sure I blame MM for the defense giving up 6 TDs in their first 7 drives, though. I think I agree with LT that something was going on with the locker room. They knew Quinn was out or something.

 

[Simpleton]

If I'm being analytical and not emotional, I think this is the first real embarrassment in the playoffs. I think the Niners are just better than us, unfortunately. People made a big deal out of the Zeke snap and running out of time the year before, but those games were always lost by that point.

Now this year, yes, everything was set up perfectly and that performance was as bad as it gets. Not sure I blame MM for the defense giving up 6 TDs in their first 7 drives, though. I think I agree with LT that something was going on with the locker room. They knew Quinn was out or something.

I agree SF is one thing, this is completely different and unacceptable.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So yeah, if he actually hires the guy, I think he would definitely listen to him and be open to making whatever changes Belichick suggested.

That's a big reason I don't think he'd hire him. :(

This isn't three straight 5-11s with a new stadium needing financing. That was the rare desperation situation for Jerry.

And I personally don't think BB would do much better with the same players. I think the roster needs strategic retooling, and I don't think Jerry would agree with that. Too much chance of a step back that hurts the bottom line.

 

[Texas Ace]

If he hires him he knows exactly what to expect going in and would definitely listen to him.

Yeah exactly.

 

[Texas Ace]

That's a big reason I don't think he'd hire him. :(

This isn't three straight 5-11s with a new stadium needing financing. That was the rare desperation situation for Jerry.

And I personally don't think BB would do much better with the same players. I think the roster needs strategic retooling, and I don't think Jerry would agree with that. Too much chance of a step back that hurts the bottom line.

Hell, I don't even think it was the losing that bothered him so much as much as it was him desperately wanting that new stadium and knowing he had to give the fans something to motivate them to vote in favor of the stadium.

Still, all we can do is hope that he's desperate enough in his old age to want to a SB before he dies to make that sort of hire again.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Pretty much this, just take a grand slam swing on bringing in someone (the only one?) with the reputation and skins on the wall to get this pussy team over their mental block.

Yesterday had almost nothing to do with talent or scheme, they came out making stupid mistakes in every phase of the game and were in the tank from the very start. They had a deer in the headlights look and I'm certain they were feeling the weight of the expectations before the game even started.

Give Belichick 2-4 years to work a little magic and then move on.

What if you can't get BB, though? He's really one of a kind. I guess Harbaugh would be the closest thing, but apparently he's in big demand by the west coast teams.

A Slowik type imo would get pushed around by Jerry.