Week 7 Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys vs Giants | 10/25/2015

Carp said:


This goes out to the real fans.
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I got one. Did anyone else? Just kidding.
 
Carp said:


This goes out to the real fans.
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Uncoverable.
 
mcnuttz said:
I didn't notice Hardy get into it with Bisaccia until I turned on the TV this morning. Thought it was just him & Dez exchanging words.

Good gawd, it's on every sports channel as well as my local morning news?
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Nothing else is tracking, so they're pouncing on this. It's stupid.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Shit, our special teams coach needs to get yelled at. He is terrible and Garrett is too big of a pussy to do it.
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I don't know what Garrett has said to him behind closed doors, but I'm glad Hardy did what he did. People on this team need to hold each other accountable, coaches too. I don't condone violence but this isn't croquet.

First of all that kick needed to be crushed through the back of the endzone, not perfectly delivered to the one guy who could fuck us and siphon away all momentum.

Why was Wilber coached to slam into a blocker without even checking where the returner was?

Why was Wilcox sitting there at the back edge of the widening scrum waiting to get run by?
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Shit, our special teams coach needs to get yelled at. He is terrible and Garrett is too big of a pussy to do it.
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I wish he faced the other team's ST as fiercely as he did Hardy, that old man wasn't backing down to the Kraken.
 
ravidubey said:
I don't know what Garrett has said to him behind closed doors, but I'm glad Hardy did what he did. People on this team need to hold each other accountable, coaches too. I don't condone violence but this isn't croquet.

First of all that kick needed to be crushed through the back of the endzone, not perfectly delivered to the one guy who could fuck us and siphon away all momentum.

Why was Wilber coached to slam into a blocker without even checking where the returner was?

Why was Wilcox sitting there at the back edge of the widening scrum waiting to get run by?
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And not only that, but why is Beasley back their returning punts with the game on the line and the offense in need of a big return? Hell why has he made no effort to improve the return game? We are continually getting crushed in terms of hidden yardage and I put that all on my special teams coach.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
And not only that, but why is Beasley back their returning punts with the game on the line and the offense in need of a big return? Hell why has he made no effort to improve the return game? We are continually getting crushed in terms of hidden yardage and I put that all on my special teams coach.
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I thought we should have gone for the all out block on that punt.
 


So, Gregory only played 8 plays, and got a QB pressure on 5 of them? That's pretty damn impressive.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
And not only that, but why is Beasley back their returning punts with the game on the line and the offense in need of a big return? Hell why has he made no effort to improve the return game? We are continually getting crushed in terms of hidden yardage and I put that all on my special teams coach.
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He's an easy target, but he also needs some horses to run.

Makes me wonder about how much of last season was actually Dwayne Harris' fault.

Iamtdg said:


So, Gregory only played 8 plays, and got a QB pressure on 5 of them? That's pretty damn impressive.
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Not too impressed with the "QB pressures" stat in general.
 
ravidubey said:
Not too impressed with the "QB pressures" stat in general.
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It's an important stat. If you're making the QB move around in the pocket, you're being disruptive and can really throw a QB off his game.
 
I don't remember Lawrence and Crawford showing up like that, but they also could be credited with pressures because Eli was getting away from Hardy's side.
 
Iamtdg said:
It's an important stat. If you're making the QB move around in the pocket, you're being disruptive and can really throw a QB off his game.
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Manning was definitely not comfortable. Since 2009 our pass rush has rarely affected him because he gets rid of the ball so quickly.

But "pressures" count whether you influence the play or not, and that makes it much less useful as a stat.

What's more telling to me is how Manning didn't throw the kinds of bad passes that might lead to interceptions.

In fact, it can be argued the Cowboys did a better job against him in the opener.
 
ravidubey said:
Manning was definitely not comfortable. Since 2009 our pass rush has rarely affected him because he gets rid of the ball so quickly.

But "pressures" count whether you influence the play or not, and that makes it much less useful as a stat.

What's more telling to me is how Manning didn't throw the kinds of bad passes that might lead to interceptions.
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The point is that pressure can cause a QB to throw a pass he wouldn't normally throw. It's not as good as a sack, obviously, but it's a valid thing to track.
 
Iamtdg said:
The point is that pressure can cause a QB to throw a pass he wouldn't normally throw. It's not as good as a sack, obviously, but it's a valid thing to track.
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Agreed, and sometimes pressure is better than a sack, like when it causes an interception.

I just don't think the "QB pressure" stat accurately tracks what you are describing.
 
Iamtdg said:
It's an important stat. If you're making the QB move around in the pocket, you're being disruptive and can really throw a QB off his game.
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He's not impressed because Lawrence is on top.
 
Iamtdg said:
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Pressures are so open to interpretation, which is why I don't pay them much attention.

I can't recall Lawrence rushing throws or doing much of anything. Crawford too.
 
ravidubey said:
As of the Detroit playoff game, criticism of DLaw is off limits for at least two years.
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My bad. I do remember you saying that at one point recently. My point is redacted.
 
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