Video Game Chatter

[boozeman]

Screw that.

 

[Texas Ace]

All PS4 has to do is not screw up, and they'll win the next-gen by a wide margin.

Nobody wants the Wii U and even developers have trashed it and most AAA titles won't be coming out for it. Microsoft is doing......something. Whatever it is, it's a bad idea.

As long as Sony doesn't do something stupid, they win.

As for the used games thing, MS still sound like they didn't have an actual plan in place for how they were going to implement these stupid features:

It's worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't borrow them. Microsoft added that "loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Exploring possibilities?

 

[Deuce]

XBox will gain momentum back after E3. Their press conference was all about showing all the other capabilities of the machine other than gaming so that they can sell this "one machine for everything in your living room" idea to non-gamers. Their E3 presentation will be for the gamers and get a lot of microsoft fan boys back.

 

[1bigfan13]

I imagine XBox One will not be a popular choice for military members. Most of us take our game systems with us when we deploy or go on training exercises. Having access to internet while deployed or during training exercises is not a given.

It's hit or miss.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

As for the used games thing, MS still sound like they didn't have an actual plan in place for how they were going to implement these stupid features:


Exploring possibilities?

It's sounds like an extremely confusing convoluted plan that they came up with at the last second in reaction to everything going on.

 

[Texas Ace]

I imagine XBox One will not be a popular choice for military members. Most of us take our game systems with us when we deploy or go on training exercises. Having access to internet while deployed or during training exercises is not a given.

It's hit or miss.

And that is exactly the group that was mentioned in an article on kotaku.com.

They said how this would be a major issue for military guys. So stupid from MS to go this route.

 

[Smitty]

I heard yesterday that after the XBox One was announced with all it's ridiculous features, sales for the Wii U jumped up 360%. That's a lot of people who decided immediately that it wasn't for them and went another direction. My guess is there are still a lot more just waiting on the PS4.

It's bullshit. What if you take the console somewhere, like on a trip to a family member's house, where you don't have internet access?

No games for you.

 

[EZ22]

XBox will gain momentum back after E3. Their press conference was all about showing all the other capabilities of the machine other than gaming so that they can sell this "one machine for everything in your living room" idea to non-gamers. Their E3 presentation will be for the gamers and get a lot of microsoft fan boys back.

You either underestimate or don't understand the hatred that hardcore gamers have for always online.

 

[Deuce]

You either underestimate or don't understand the hatred that hardcore gamers have for always online.

And when microsoft dorks start to fiend for Halo, or don't like the PS4 controller or whatever else they aren't getting they'll come around. It isn't that you have to always be online anyways, its that you have to login in every 24 hours to make sure you're updated. Everytime I turn on the PS3, it logs me online whether I plan to play online or not. The only difference is I can turn that off but it really doesn't matter one way or another.

 

[1bigfan13]

And that is exactly the group that was mentioned in an article on kotaku.com.

They said how this would be a major issue for military guys. So stupid from MS to go this route.

Indeed. It's similar to why I swore off HP computers. I had a problem with an HP computer about 5 years ago when I was in Germany. The computer was under warranty but they refused to fix it or send me a box to fix it because of some BS policy that prevented them from sending those mailing boxes to overseas locations. They wouldn't even send it through the APO system which is essentially the US Postal service for Department of Defense personnel living abroad.

 

[Texas Ace]

Everytime I turn on the PS3, it logs me online whether I plan to play online or not. The only difference is I can turn that off but it really doesn't matter one way or another.

But what if you don't have a network connection? Then how is it supposed to log you online? And if it can't, then you can't play games on it, period.

Say your ISP has an issue, or you take it with you on a road trip/vacation, military guys, peeps that in rural areas that don't have the best connections - all of these scenarios play out on a daily basis and everyone that meets this criteria is screwed.

That is the big difference between checking in automatically, and not having the resources to do it.

 

[Texas Ace]

It's sounds like an extremely confusing convoluted plan that they came up with at the last second in reaction to everything going on.

Sure does.

They didn't have a clear answer and even had some contradictions when they were asked about it after the reveal of the Xbox One, and yet even now, they still don't really know how it's going to work.

Someone dropped the ball over there.

 

[Deuce]

But what if you don't have a network connection? Then how is it supposed to log you online? And if it can't, then you can't play games on it, period.

Say your ISP has an issue, or you take it with you on a road trip/vacation, military guys, peeps that in rural areas that don't have the best connections - all of these scenarios play out on a daily basis and everyone that meets this criteria is screwed.

That is the big difference between checking in automatically, and not having the resources to do it.

Listen to the Indoor Kinds podcast from a week or so ago. They had Kevin Pereira on as a guest and he's had a chance to get into the system and see what he likes and dislikes. He breaks it down a little better than some of these articles so the system doesn't seem all doom and gloom as I thought. It definitely still has problems, but once people see what it's capable of than its going to give Sony a run for its money.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And when microsoft dorks start to fiend for Halo, or don't like the PS4 controller or whatever else they aren't getting they'll come around. It isn't that you have to always be online anyways, its that you have to login in every 24 hours to make sure you're updated. Everytime I turn on the PS3, it logs me online whether I plan to play online or not. The only difference is I can turn that off but it really doesn't matter one way or another.

You're right about the hard core gamers, but I think you underestimate the number of people without a consistent reliable high speed internet connection. There are also a number of people who aren't strongly brand loyal who will switch based purely on principal. There is no question Microsoft will take a hit for this, the question is how big of a hit. Clearly Sony will benefit from that hit as long as they don't do anything stupid.

Honestly I think Microsoft is a company that just doesn't get it with most of their products. They have failed repeatedly in the phone industry because of it. I think some of the moves they are making with the XBox just show they don't get it at all. They think THE CLOUD is going to make up for the hit that they will take. I don't think most people give two shits about THE CLOUD when it comes to video games.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Sure does.

They didn't have a clear answer and even had some contradictions when they were asked about it after the reveal of the Xbox One, and yet even now, they still don't really know how it's going to work.

Someone dropped the ball over there.

You can give someone a game, but only once. You can't lend them a game, but you can play your games on their sysem. Anyone can play a game on your system. It's like WTF.

 

[Deuce]

Also heard that Microsoft has gotten a lot of weird patents that won't matter now, but may in the future. One is about game licensing and how many users each games is good for. The theory is that if you get Maddon and it's good for 4 users at a time but the XBox Kinect senses 6 people in the room at the time of the game and rotating players, it will be able to report it to XBox and then you'll eventually get charged for the extra uses. That's nuts.

 

[Texas Ace]

You can give someone a game, but only once. You can't lend them a game, but you can play your games on their sysem. Anyone can play a game on your system. It's like WTF.

Yea, it's totally confusing and stupid.

The one part that is clear, though, is that I cannot let you use my game to play on your system. That's a terrible idea.

 

[Texas Ace]

Also heard that Microsoft has gotten a lot of weird patents that won't matter now, but may in the future. One is about game licensing and how many users each games is good for. The theory is that if you get Maddon and it's good for 4 users at a time but the XBox Kinect senses 6 people in the room at the time of the game and rotating players, it will be able to report it to XBox and then you'll eventually get charged for the extra uses. That's nuts.

That's another stupid thing - the Kinect that they keep trying to force down people's throats.

During their Xbox One reveal, every time the guy on stage would say "Xbox power off" or something like that, it would turn off the Xbox's of people following the stream online through their consoles.

 

[Deuce]

Yea, it's totally confusing and stupid.

The one part that is clear, though, is that I cannot let you use my game to play on your system. That's a terrible idea.

That's not true, I think you're just going to have to be careful who you can lend it to. Each game is going to come with licernsed user amounts, just like when you buy spyware for your PC. They say they are still coming up with other ways to tweak the system, but that's how I think it will go down.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Also heard that Microsoft has gotten a lot of weird patents that won't matter now, but may in the future. One is about game licensing and how many users each games is good for. The theory is that if you get Maddon and it's good for 4 users at a time but the XBox Kinect senses 6 people in the room at the time of the game and rotating players, it will be able to report it to XBox and then you'll eventually get charged for the extra uses. That's nuts.

That would be hilarious. I can just picture people hiding under blankets to prevent the game from sensing them. God how much games and video games systems have changed.