The Immigration/Deportation/ICE Thread

What are you going to say when the autopsy proves he was shot in the back?
What point will that prove? You could see in the video he was on all fours on the pavement. If that was the position he was in if/when he grabbed for his weapon, should they have waited until he turned and faced them before firing?

Dumb to try to cling to that thinking it proves any right or wrong.
 
Oh, so now he reached for a nonexistent gun that had already been taken away by another officer?
No, he just reached around to his back where the holster is. I'm sure he was just pulling up his pants or something. Again, what should the cop have done to keep from shooting him in the back?
 
No, he just reached around to his back where the holster is. I'm sure he was just pulling up his pants or something. Again, what should the cop have done to keep from shooting him in the back?
How about not shooting him at all since he didn't have a fucking gun at the time?
 
Lemme guess, this is when he's reaching for a gun?

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I mean, do you plan to go to Minneapolis and wrestle an ICE agent with a gun on your hip?

If not, why not?
I posed this same question to a woman at work yesterday. She replied "First, I wouldn't be there to begin with. And I certainly wouldn't be there with a gun."

BINGO.
 
How about not shooting him at all since he didn't have a fucking gun at the time?
That's not what I was talking about. You claim the cop was a pussy ass coward for shooting him in the back and then you persisted to double down on it. When the cop decides he is pulling the trigger because he felt his fellow officers might be in danger what was he supposed to do besides shoot him in the back?
 
That's not what I was talking about. You claim the cop was a pussy ass coward for shooting him in the back and then you persisted to double down on it. When the cop decides he is pulling the trigger because he felt his fellow officers might be in danger what was he supposed to do besides shoot him in the back?
How is anyone in danger when another officer had already disarmed the violent protestor?
 
I get it. Ya'll love the current police state.

Carry on. Gonna watch this game.
 
How is anyone in danger when another officer had already disarmed the violent protestor?
He felt someone was in danger or he wouldn't have shot. Now, what was the cop suppose to do so he didn't shoot him in the back?
 
I think it’s the heavy handed way they’re doing it. That and the fact they said they were going to target the worst of the worst and that’s gotten way off track.

Are they not also getting the worst of the worst?
 
Statement from the Libertarian Party:

ICE is a division of the Department of Homeland Security. Much like DHS itself, it was spawned as a response to 9/11 and the Global War on Terror. ICE was created in a national security context, blending immigration enforcement with counterterrorism culture, equipment, and mindset.

What we are seeing in the United States is the rise of the warrior cop. Masked federal agents donning multicam and plate carriers, injected into civilian life with a GWOT mentality. This is no routine law enforcement. This is occupation-style policing.

Until recently, immigration enforcement was overwhelmingly a civil matter. Visa overstays, border crossings, and asylum claims were processed administratively rather than treated as battlefield threats. Under the current administration, immigration is increasingly framed as criminality itself. So when the President says they are “going after criminals,” that definition quietly expands to include visa overstays, people in green card or asylum processing, and peaceful individuals caught in bureaucratic limbo. This framing becomes the justification for the police state.

The Department of Homeland Security has now taken the position, via internal guidance, that entering homes without a judicial warrant using administrative authority is lawful. This is an assertion by fiat, not a principle recognized by the Constitution, statute, or the courts. The Fourth Amendment does not bend to agency memos.

The militarization of domestic enforcement did not happen overnight.

The surplus weapons, vehicles, and equipment from foreign wars were gradually brought home and distributed to federal agencies and police departments through long-standing programs that accelerated after 9/11. The tools of war have been normalized in civilian governance.

Now those weapons, systems, and intelligence apparatuses are being used against immigrants and citizens alike.
Soon, they will be used against you.

The technocratic police state is designed for mission creep. Powers justified for one emergency expand to the next, until they are permanent, all-seeing, and unquestioned.

The left fights in the streets. The right cheers the legitimacy of the force used against them. Together, they move in a morbid waltz toward total technocratic control.

Do not be fooled. Every justification for state violence will be depersonalized, amplified, and systematized until it is a permanent feature of governance.

Abolish ICE. Reform the broken immigration system. Do not give the police state an inch.

– @StevenNekhaila
Chairman, Libertarian National Committee

Until recently, one party wasn’t actively trying to import illegal immigrants into the country for the express purpose of destabilizing the economy and winning elections.
 
The Libertarian party is not even close to the party it used to be. I leaned Libertarian for a while until they went whacko.

The libertarian party is probably what it always has been. You are used to reading their tweets when they were opposing neocons and then the Obama administration.

I put a lot of value in their existence and wish they had way more of a political presence.

But you can’t write off illegal immigration as a non-existential threat that just needs to be handled administratively.
 


You can't make this shit up. :picard
 
So why didn’t he comply with their instructions? I don’t know who started it but I saw him insanely resisting arrest.
By raising his hands up and sitting on the ground? Yes, I can see why you would say he is "insanely" resisting arrest.
 
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