The Artificial Intelligence Thread

Genghis Khan said:
I think a ton of people would want it. But maybe I'm wrong.

Regardless I don't trust Meta even a little bit.
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No way. Its just a daily reminder that they aren't there anymore and to me that would be torture.
 
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Rev said:
No way. Its just a daily reminder that they aren't there anymore and to me that would be tor
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Exactly. And also exactly to what you were going to say. :unsure
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Or AI to not manipulate people with it.
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I 100% realize the potential of AI and how it could help us a lot in our daily lives. I also 100% realize how easily the AI could be manipulated by a programmer with ill intent to achieve an evil result. Like Goldblum said in Jurassic Park, "Just because we can doesn't mean we should".
 
Rev said:
No way. Its just a daily reminder that they aren't there anymore and to me that would be torture.
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A lot of people will feel that way, sure. A lot of people will feel the opposite though.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Not only should we, we have to.

If we don't keep up with AI, we're fucked globally. Because China among others definitely won't stop.
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I don't know... I understand that argument, and maybe it's correct. But I also know that a lot of powerful people are saying that to gain favor and accelerate government funding for their projects. They're using the old Cold War nuclear weapons argument, but these aren't nuclear weapons.

I don't claim to be some expert on this. But I'm skeptical that most of the big players in this area have our best interests at heart much more than the CCP does. (Though no one is as bad as the CCP.)
 
Genghis Khan said:
A lot of people will feel that way, sure. A lot of people will feel the opposite though.
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You and I just aren’t going to see eye to eye on this one. I think it would massively fuck with a lot of people’s grieving process. No closure, etc. I will respond to your other post when I’m not in my phone.
 
Genghis Khan said:
A lot of people will feel that way, sure. A lot of people will feel the opposite though.
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I lost both of my parents over 20 years ago and both within 5 years of each other. There are still days that bother me today. Now its not as bad as it was but seeing these things on a daily basis would just drag it out. Maybe my case is different because they were relatively young and my time was cut so short with them.

I dont think a lot of people would see it coming but I bet a lot of those would turn it off.
 
Rev said:
I lost both of my parents over 20 years ago and both within 5 years of each other. There are still days that bother me today. Now its not as bad as it was but seeing these things on a daily basis would just drag it out. Maybe my case is different because they were relatively young and my time was cut so short with them.

I dont think a lot of people would see it coming but I bet a lot of those would turn it off.
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I lost my father the day after Christmas and I would be horrified to do such a thing, but I guess some people might find comfort in it. I definitely wouldn't.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
I don't know... I understand that argument, and maybe it's correct. But I also know that a lot of powerful people are saying that to gain favor and accelerate government funding for their projects. They're using the old Cold War nuclear weapons argument, but these aren't nuclear weapons.

I don't claim to be some expert on this. But I'm skeptical that most of the big players in this area have our best interests at heart much more than the CCP does. (Though no one is as bad as the CCP.)
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There's no doubt in my mind. You can create an army where they are not human so they won't have a danger of losing morale or running, and you don't care if they "die" so you can just throw massive numbers of them at the enemy. And they won't hesitate to kill and they can carry a bunch of heavy equipment and don't need to be fed? And if they get killed you can just make more?

And that's just the tip of iceberg of what an army like that is capable of.

Good luck if you haven't kept up with that.
 
Genghis Khan said:
There's no doubt in my mind. You can create an army where they are not human so they won't have a danger of losing morale or running, and you don't care if they "die" so you can just throw massive numbers of them at the enemy. And they won't hesitate to kill and they can carry a bunch of heavy equipment and don't need to be fed? And if they get killed you can just make more?

And that's just the tip of iceberg of what an army like that is capable of.

Good luck if you haven't kept up with that.
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Totally agree. We absolutely cannot afford to fall behind them. Like the guy in Oppenheimer said, "It's not just a new weapon, it's a new world."
 
Cujo said:
Totally agree. We absolutely cannot afford to fall behind them. Like the guy in Oppenheimer said, "It's not just a new weapon, it's a new world."
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Yep. Hell, you can blow them up and take out whatever you want with it, they can fly, they can march all day without tiring (although maybe need to recharge for a few hours), the possibilities are almost endless of what you can do.

It's enormously important to stay on the cutting edge of this stuff. Just as important as it was and is with nukes.

People are kidding themselves if they think the Chinese aren't.
 
Cujo said:
I lost my father the day after Christmas and I would be horrified to do such a thing, but I guess some people might find comfort in it. I definitely wouldn't.
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Yeah, I also know my wife was going through old voicemails on her phone and found messages from her Grandpa. Those obviously meant a lot to her to listen to. So I'm sure there are some people who would do anything to be able to talk to a lost one again, even if it is an AI version.

I just don't think I'd want an AI version pretending to be a real life lost person. Because it's not actually your grandpa or whoever talking. It's a computer pretending.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Yep. Hell, you can blow them up and take out whatever you want with it, they can fly, they can march all day without tiring (although maybe need to recharge for a few hours), the possibilities are almost endless of what you can do.

It's enormously important to stay on the cutting edge of this stuff. Just as important as it was and is with nukes.

People are kidding themselves if they think the Chinese aren't.
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I think AI could have tremendous medical benefits. Ideas, procedures, cures that we have never been capable of thinking up, AI could potentially solve. There is amazing potential in something that can learn so fast. But it's also playing with fire when talking about military benefits.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
I think AI could have tremendous medical benefits. Ideas, procedures, cures that we have never been capable of thinking up, AI could potentially solve. There is amazing potential in something that can learn so fast. But it's also playing with fire when talking about military benefits.
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Agreed on all points.

Militarily it's definitely playing with fire, but ignoring those aspects of it is also playing with fire.
 
Genghis Khan said:
There's no doubt in my mind. You can create an army where they are not human so they won't have a danger of losing morale or running, and you don't care if they "die" so you can just throw massive numbers of them at the enemy. And they won't hesitate to kill and they can carry a bunch of heavy equipment and don't need to be fed? And if they get killed you can just make more?

And that's just the tip of iceberg of what an army like that is capable of.

Good luck if you haven't kept up with that.
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If you're talking about robot soldiers, sure. But aren't most of these data centers for and by Meta, Google, Microsoft, etc.? (I know a lot of them are.) And are they going to contribute to making USA soldier-bots?

Besides, the commies have never been shy about sacrificing their vast populations of people in war. Cheaper for them to just send people into battles to be churned than extremely expensive bots with guns.

I guess I'm more concerned about Big Data using this to turn us into a CCP-style surveillance state.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
If you're talking about robot soldiers, sure. But aren't most of these data centers for and by Meta, Google, Microsoft, etc.? (I know a lot of them are.) And are they going to contribute to making USA soldier-bots?

Besides, the commies have never been shy about sacrificing their vast populations of people in war. Cheaper for them to just send people into battles to be churned than extremely expensive bots with guns.

I guess I'm more concerned about Big Data using this to turn us into a CCP-style surveillance state.
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It is just a minefield of concerns that is going to be very difficult to navigate. I believe it's a foregone conclusion that eventually we will create an AI that becomes self-aware. Doesn't seem like science fiction anymore.
 
Cujo said:
It is just a minefield of concerns. It's going to be very difficult to navigate. I believe it's a foregone conclusion that eventually we will create an AI that becomes self-aware. Doesn't seem like science fiction anymore.
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Oh, I think that is incredibly close already. Way closer than most realize.
 
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