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Well, he's not. I don't even see him as Eric Berry as a safety and I don't pick him in the top five either.
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Well, he's not. I don't even see him as Eric Berry as a safety and I don't pick him in the top five either.
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Do you think he's the next Peterson or are you just throwing out a random question?
Looking at Ramsey, I'm not sure he's an NFL CB or safety, but I like him more as a safety. While we could use another safety to pair with Byron Jones, I don't think we need to use a top 5 pick for one. We could fill that position in FA or in the 2nd/3rd round.
As for your question, no I wouldn't have a problem with Peterson in the top 5. But I don't think Ramsey is the next Peterson.
I wouldn't have a problem with JJ Watt at #4. But I wouldn't use that as a rationale for drafting Bosa. Nor would I base taking Jack in the top 5 because Khalil Mack was a solid top 5 pick.
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Mack was a pass rusher. Counts more than Lavonte David clone to me.
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Just asking the question because there seems to be a lot of hate just because he is a DB.
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Any elite safety should be the ballhawk of your defense. That guy should be the person who is creating the turnovers. Is Ramsey capable of that?
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For me Its not that he is a cb it's that we have a shot at one of the top QBs. The only way you get those is if you lose a lot the previous season and I don't want to the here again in a year or two. I know all of the other ways to get your qb but just want to hedge my bets. That time between Aikman and Romo was horrible.
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Just asking the question because in this particular draft he might be a Peterson type.
In this draft Bosa is JJ Watt and Jack is Mack, not saying they are the same players just that on talent level compared to the other players in this draft they rate like those guys.
You do not seem to have any particular issue with taking a DB and Ramsey has a lot of issues when it comes to projection, I would not be surprised if he starts dropping when the real evaluaters start leaking there rankings.
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I loved Eric Berry as a top 5 pick coming out and was also a big fan of Peterson, if Ramsey had the production to back up his measureables like they did (7 INT's for Peterson, 14 for Berry over 3 seasons each), I'd be perfectly fine taking him. He doesn't though and while he has decent stats otherwise (TFL, FF, PD's), his stone hands stick out like a sore thumb in these videos.
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Doesn't seem to be a ballhawk. While I prefer him at safety over CB, I don't want him in the top 5.
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I'm not anti-DB in the first round. I just don't see the production from Ramsey to warrant a top 5 pick. I prefer one of the two QB's, but even if we don't take QB I'd rather trade down or go with Bosa or Jack over Ramsey even though those two also seem underwhelming at #4.
Also, I do think we will address the QB situation in the draft. If we do prior to day 3 I'd much rather take Wentz/Goff in the first with a possible DB in the 2nd or 3rd than Ramsey in the 1st with a lesser QB in the 2nd or 3rd.
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This guy is going to be a beast in any system.
He's a perfect 4-3 DE and has the frame to be a 3-4 DE as well, though he might be a bit tall for that.
He's an ideal 4-3 LDE, but I'd play him on either side. IMO he's probably better for Dallas than Bosa.
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He'd be a better fit as a 1 or 3 technique DT in our scheme than a DE on either side. I don't see him winning often in space against NFL LT's.
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He is purely a 3-4 DE to me. If we are taking a DT for our defense I'd rather Rankins. If we are taking a DE in our defense I'd rather Spence, Bosa and probably a few other 4-3 DEs. I think Buckner has the potential to be Calais Campbell, but it's just a lot of projecting to wonder what he would look like at DT in this defense.
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[h=1]Bob Sturm's Draft Profile Series: Ronnie Stanley Can Protect That Blindside On Sundays[/h]
By Bob Sturm, Special contributor Contact Bob Sturmon Twitter:@SportsSturm
I have never been a scout or a NFL General Manager, but I am willing to watch a ton of football. By watching about 200 snaps of each prospect, we can really get a feel for a player and then know what we are talking about a bit better. It is no exact science, but the NFL hasn't quite figured out drafting either, so we are going to do the best we can.To read more about the 2016 NFL Draft Project, Click Here.
Ronnie Stanley, T, Notre Dame - 6'5, 315 - Senior - #78
There is no question that as the NFL becomes more and more a passing league, the requirement of suitable pass protection grows in importance. For that reason, left tackles are always going to rise to the top of the draft only slightly less quickly than even Quarterbacks. This isn't said a whole lot, but if you look at drafts and big contracts, you will quickly find that the left tackle can live a life that requires very little public ridicule but offers a fortune almost as big as the QB1. If you had a choice, certainly that would be the career path many would aspire to enjoy.
Somehow, however, there grew a theory in recent years that this is the best way to get a premium talent without the fear of a busted pick. When Trent Williams and Tyron Smith were top tackles in 2010-2011, teams started to think that the sure thing was with left tackles. But since, 6 offensive tackles were taken with Top 10 picks between 2012-2014, with zero being considered stars in this league: Matt Kalil, Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Lane Johnson, Greg Robinson, and Jake Matthews. Some are ok and some are slightly better than that, but when you are paying the prices for these guys that the pick carries, ok is not what teams have in mind. They want Tyron Smith who will be the best offensive linemen in Dallas from 2011 until possibly 2025. They want a cornerstone. And they didn't get that.
This draft has two likely top 10 picks. One appears to be a generational talent in Laremy Tunsil. And then there is this impressive talent from Notre Dame, Ronnie Stanley who played all 4 years for the Irish and replaced Zack Martin at left tackle for 2014 and 2015. There, he stood tall and kept his QB from ever getting touched by his man. In other words, he was nearly perfect at pass protection the entire time he stood guard. And that is why many assume he has a chance to transition nicely to the next level.
What I liked: He is a very big man who moves pretty well - especially right at the snap he is generally the first lineman out of his stance and in position. This gives him a tremendous advantage to get in his spot before he is overtaken by a speed rusher, but it does flirt with the occasional false start. He is very strong and will fight hard with a great disposition that you want to see from this spot on the field. He is finishing plays and making sure you don't get any sort of flow from play to play. I really liked how he seemed to do much of his best work late in games and he stood his ground very well against some fine pass rushers including Shaq Lawson in a showdown where both had their moments but I thought Stanley won the day in pass protection. His run blocking is pretty solid in zone blocking concepts and while he is not elite at getting to the 2nd level of the defense, he is capable and willing to get downfield on screens and misdirection plays.
What I did not like: He is clearly not as athletically gifted as Tunsil. His just is not as "twitched up" as the other tackle in this debate, and he moves like a normal tackle moves who is that size which means he is at a quickness disadvantage against many speed rushers. He relies on positioning and technique which needs to improve in his development at the NFL level. This simply means he is more of a solid specimen instead of an athletic freak of nature. You won't see feats of brilliance as much as you will just see solid and dependable tackle play. And that is more than fine for what the position asks as this is not a beauty pageant. He will also get caught holding a bit as his arms get outside his man and anytime you start grabbing the outside of the arms, you are going to get flagged. But, I think he will develop well.
Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys: Odds are pretty good that he will go very high in Round 1. He is not Tunsil, but in another draft, he would be the best tackle in the draft. He does the most important thing well, which is protect the blindside of QB1. He moves well and runs men past the back of the pocket and stays engaged until the whistle. He appears to have strong competitiveness and good instincts for the game. I don't love him in the open field and like I said, he has average quickness in tight spaces for a man his size. But, overall, I think he makes the grade as the type of guy who is gone in the first hour or two on draft weekend and can slide right in and play right away. I know some will discuss whether he is a right or left tackle at the next level, but I think he can play left tackle all day. The questions are whether he can eliminate the occasional flags and still keep his stellar pass protection performances at their level as he moves to a league where there is a stud sack guy across from you every snap of the year.
You can view plenty of his tape here at Draftbreakdown.com.
By Bob Sturm, Special contributor Contact Bob Sturmon Twitter:@SportsSturm
I have never been a scout or a NFL General Manager, but I am willing to watch a ton of football. By watching about 200 snaps of each prospect, we can really get a feel for a player and then know what we are talking about a bit better. It is no exact science, but the NFL hasn't quite figured out drafting either, so we are going to do the best we can.To read more about the 2016 NFL Draft Project, Click Here.
Ronnie Stanley, T, Notre Dame - 6'5, 315 - Senior - #78
There is no question that as the NFL becomes more and more a passing league, the requirement of suitable pass protection grows in importance. For that reason, left tackles are always going to rise to the top of the draft only slightly less quickly than even Quarterbacks. This isn't said a whole lot, but if you look at drafts and big contracts, you will quickly find that the left tackle can live a life that requires very little public ridicule but offers a fortune almost as big as the QB1. If you had a choice, certainly that would be the career path many would aspire to enjoy.
Somehow, however, there grew a theory in recent years that this is the best way to get a premium talent without the fear of a busted pick. When Trent Williams and Tyron Smith were top tackles in 2010-2011, teams started to think that the sure thing was with left tackles. But since, 6 offensive tackles were taken with Top 10 picks between 2012-2014, with zero being considered stars in this league: Matt Kalil, Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Lane Johnson, Greg Robinson, and Jake Matthews. Some are ok and some are slightly better than that, but when you are paying the prices for these guys that the pick carries, ok is not what teams have in mind. They want Tyron Smith who will be the best offensive linemen in Dallas from 2011 until possibly 2025. They want a cornerstone. And they didn't get that.
This draft has two likely top 10 picks. One appears to be a generational talent in Laremy Tunsil. And then there is this impressive talent from Notre Dame, Ronnie Stanley who played all 4 years for the Irish and replaced Zack Martin at left tackle for 2014 and 2015. There, he stood tall and kept his QB from ever getting touched by his man. In other words, he was nearly perfect at pass protection the entire time he stood guard. And that is why many assume he has a chance to transition nicely to the next level.
What I liked: He is a very big man who moves pretty well - especially right at the snap he is generally the first lineman out of his stance and in position. This gives him a tremendous advantage to get in his spot before he is overtaken by a speed rusher, but it does flirt with the occasional false start. He is very strong and will fight hard with a great disposition that you want to see from this spot on the field. He is finishing plays and making sure you don't get any sort of flow from play to play. I really liked how he seemed to do much of his best work late in games and he stood his ground very well against some fine pass rushers including Shaq Lawson in a showdown where both had their moments but I thought Stanley won the day in pass protection. His run blocking is pretty solid in zone blocking concepts and while he is not elite at getting to the 2nd level of the defense, he is capable and willing to get downfield on screens and misdirection plays.
What I did not like: He is clearly not as athletically gifted as Tunsil. His just is not as "twitched up" as the other tackle in this debate, and he moves like a normal tackle moves who is that size which means he is at a quickness disadvantage against many speed rushers. He relies on positioning and technique which needs to improve in his development at the NFL level. This simply means he is more of a solid specimen instead of an athletic freak of nature. You won't see feats of brilliance as much as you will just see solid and dependable tackle play. And that is more than fine for what the position asks as this is not a beauty pageant. He will also get caught holding a bit as his arms get outside his man and anytime you start grabbing the outside of the arms, you are going to get flagged. But, I think he will develop well.
Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys: Odds are pretty good that he will go very high in Round 1. He is not Tunsil, but in another draft, he would be the best tackle in the draft. He does the most important thing well, which is protect the blindside of QB1. He moves well and runs men past the back of the pocket and stays engaged until the whistle. He appears to have strong competitiveness and good instincts for the game. I don't love him in the open field and like I said, he has average quickness in tight spaces for a man his size. But, overall, I think he makes the grade as the type of guy who is gone in the first hour or two on draft weekend and can slide right in and play right away. I know some will discuss whether he is a right or left tackle at the next level, but I think he can play left tackle all day. The questions are whether he can eliminate the occasional flags and still keep his stellar pass protection performances at their level as he moves to a league where there is a stud sack guy across from you every snap of the year.
You can view plenty of his tape here at Draftbreakdown.com.
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Nobody in their right mind would select Stanley or any other OL with the 4th pick in the draft given our roster. Theoretically I can see the argument behind Tunsil as the pure BPA, although I still would look elsewhere, but a guy like Stanley who doesn't stand out among the top 10 prospects like Tunsil does would be completely ludicrous.
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As an aside, I don't really see how Bosa isn't there at 4 for us.
The Titans will either trade down (and 1-2 will go QB, QB) and then the Chargers will take Tunsil to rebuild their horrific OL, or the Titans will take Tunsil at 1, QB at 2, then the Chargers take Ramsey or reach a bit for a LT at 3.
If you look at the Titans and Chargers front 7's, both run 3-4's, and while I think Bosa could be fine in a 3-4, everybody knows he's best suited in a 4-3. Then you look at the Chargers specifically (since I think it's quite fair to assume the Titans will either go Tunsil or trade down) and you see that they actually have 2 pretty solid young edge rushers in Ingram and Attaochu, as well as Liuget who is a very good pass-rushing 3-4 DE and just got a huge contract. On the flip side, you could argue that they have the worst safeties in the league between 3 undrafted guys named Mike Daniels, Jahleel Addae and Adrian Phillips.
If the Chargers don't sign one of the top FA safeties I think it's fair to assume that they will take Ramsey over Bosa.
The Titans will either trade down (and 1-2 will go QB, QB) and then the Chargers will take Tunsil to rebuild their horrific OL, or the Titans will take Tunsil at 1, QB at 2, then the Chargers take Ramsey or reach a bit for a LT at 3.
If you look at the Titans and Chargers front 7's, both run 3-4's, and while I think Bosa could be fine in a 3-4, everybody knows he's best suited in a 4-3. Then you look at the Chargers specifically (since I think it's quite fair to assume the Titans will either go Tunsil or trade down) and you see that they actually have 2 pretty solid young edge rushers in Ingram and Attaochu, as well as Liuget who is a very good pass-rushing 3-4 DE and just got a huge contract. On the flip side, you could argue that they have the worst safeties in the league between 3 undrafted guys named Mike Daniels, Jahleel Addae and Adrian Phillips.
If the Chargers don't sign one of the top FA safeties I think it's fair to assume that they will take Ramsey over Bosa.
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Yep, no reason to waste any more breath on him. I'm sure he will be a nice LT prospect for someone. Just won't be in Dallas.
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Yep. Taking pure BPA when you have no need at that position is just as bad as strictly drafting for need at one position. We should always be able to identify at least 4-5 areas of need and then find BPA from among that group. This year we could target any position other than OL, especially in the early rounds.
Also Tunsil should be gone before we pick and like you said, Stanley would likely be in a group of similarly rated players like Bosa, Jack, Ramsey, etc.
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[h=1]Bob Sturm's Draft Profile Series: OU's Sterling Shepard Looks Like A Difference Maker In NFL[/h]
By Bob Sturm, Special contributor Contact Bob Sturmon Twitter:@SportsSturm
I have never been a scout or a NFL General Manager, but I am willing to watch a ton of football. By watching about 200 snaps of each prospect, we can really get a feel for a player and then know what we are talking about a bit better. It is no exact science, but the NFL hasn't quite figured out drafting either, so we are going to do the best we can.To read more about the 2016 NFL Draft Project, Click Here.
Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma - 5'10, 193 - Senior - #3
One experiment I would love to run sometime when it comes to draft analysis is the question of what effects are felt from proximity? In other words, there are many prospects I will study this time of year that I know almost nothing about at all and have never seen play before. There are others who I have probably watched play 25 or more games as college stars. What are the trends about those two distinctions? Do we over-rate a guy like Sterling Shepard because we have seen him set secondaries on fire for years and already know when the 200-snap study begins that it feels like he has success waiting for him at the next level?
Shepard is a player who has been one of the lead threats at Oklahoma for the last three seasons as the Sooners have dealt with some level of QB inconsistency (to say the least) and he has fielded throws from many different arms. Through it all, he has stood out time and time again in some of the biggest games in college football and shown play-making ability and an attention to detail on the little things that make teams strongly consider his future this spring.
He plays a position that this league values - primarily as a slot guy who can make catches in tight spots and then lead the opposition on a chase through the middle of the field as they try to surround him and bring him down. So many players have shown this ability at the college ranks - where the defensive backs are much less talented - and then get to Sundays and never can distinguish themselves or carve out a long career. But, those that do seem like irreplaceable weapons that are gold and can do so many things. You do not want to consider a double coverage for a guy who seldom is going vertical, but the moment you take the safety somewhere else, he will fool his man into thinking it is another drag and turn it north for a free touchdown.
So, in a league where so many slot receivers have risen in stature and draft position in the recent generation, we consider one of the most productive wide receivers in major college football. And, there is plenty to discuss.
What I liked: When you are dealing with an undersized wide receiver, we look carefully at a few things. First, his release from the line of scrimmage is vital. Shepard does this well and even gets his man completely turned around because of his ability to get off the line and into his route well. He is simply too quick to jam and this usually buys him a big cushion. Once he gets a cushion like that, his array of underneath options to the middle of the field or the sideline make him a first down machine. But, what separates him from most slot receivers is his very solid ability to turn any route into a vertical opportunity and the big catches down the sidelines are too many to count at Oklahoma. He is effective at all 3 levels of the defense and he seems to run a Dig route across the middle on the first drive of most games to set up the route tree for the rest of the afternoon. He can beat you at many different depths. And once he catches the ball, the fun begins. He also is a very ferocious blocker for a man under 200 pounds and shows an edge and competitiveness that is required to survive on Sundays. The 1st guy seldom brings him down.
What I did not like: His hands will occasionally betray him on a ball, but I would not call it a big issue as sometimes the throws are coming through a lot of traffic. The drops are not plentiful, but it is clearly something he will need to continue to focus on because the passing lanes get smaller up a level. Beyond that, he is not an aerial threat and cannot run every route because of that, but the way he abuses coverages make him an ideal slot or WR2 to challenge the decision making ability of a safety who is also looking at a game-breaker on the other side (Dez).
Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys: It is going to be very interesting to see which of the Big 12 wide receivers end up having the highest draft position and the best career (which may not be the same answer). Baylor's Corey Coleman, TCU's Josh Doctson, and Shepard all have a chance to get into the 1st round and all have a chance to do some real damage in this league. The thing is, they all do different things well and it will be up to the beholder to find the beauty of each individual.
From a Cowboys standpoint, you can clearly see that they believe in this position and how it fits in their offense. Cole Beasley has a skill set that should not be undervalued and his cap number is worth the trouble as a guy who Tony Romo has real chemistry with for sure. But, Shepard can do things that Beasley cannot, so to pair them together underneath or to add this weapon as a versatile option that can move around and attack vertically as well is a very appealing option at the top of round 2. But, that assumes Shepard is available at that point. I think he can really make a difference at the next level.
You can view plenty of his tape here at Draftbreakdown.com
By Bob Sturm, Special contributor Contact Bob Sturmon Twitter:@SportsSturm
I have never been a scout or a NFL General Manager, but I am willing to watch a ton of football. By watching about 200 snaps of each prospect, we can really get a feel for a player and then know what we are talking about a bit better. It is no exact science, but the NFL hasn't quite figured out drafting either, so we are going to do the best we can.To read more about the 2016 NFL Draft Project, Click Here.
Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma - 5'10, 193 - Senior - #3
One experiment I would love to run sometime when it comes to draft analysis is the question of what effects are felt from proximity? In other words, there are many prospects I will study this time of year that I know almost nothing about at all and have never seen play before. There are others who I have probably watched play 25 or more games as college stars. What are the trends about those two distinctions? Do we over-rate a guy like Sterling Shepard because we have seen him set secondaries on fire for years and already know when the 200-snap study begins that it feels like he has success waiting for him at the next level?
Shepard is a player who has been one of the lead threats at Oklahoma for the last three seasons as the Sooners have dealt with some level of QB inconsistency (to say the least) and he has fielded throws from many different arms. Through it all, he has stood out time and time again in some of the biggest games in college football and shown play-making ability and an attention to detail on the little things that make teams strongly consider his future this spring.
He plays a position that this league values - primarily as a slot guy who can make catches in tight spots and then lead the opposition on a chase through the middle of the field as they try to surround him and bring him down. So many players have shown this ability at the college ranks - where the defensive backs are much less talented - and then get to Sundays and never can distinguish themselves or carve out a long career. But, those that do seem like irreplaceable weapons that are gold and can do so many things. You do not want to consider a double coverage for a guy who seldom is going vertical, but the moment you take the safety somewhere else, he will fool his man into thinking it is another drag and turn it north for a free touchdown.
So, in a league where so many slot receivers have risen in stature and draft position in the recent generation, we consider one of the most productive wide receivers in major college football. And, there is plenty to discuss.
What I liked: When you are dealing with an undersized wide receiver, we look carefully at a few things. First, his release from the line of scrimmage is vital. Shepard does this well and even gets his man completely turned around because of his ability to get off the line and into his route well. He is simply too quick to jam and this usually buys him a big cushion. Once he gets a cushion like that, his array of underneath options to the middle of the field or the sideline make him a first down machine. But, what separates him from most slot receivers is his very solid ability to turn any route into a vertical opportunity and the big catches down the sidelines are too many to count at Oklahoma. He is effective at all 3 levels of the defense and he seems to run a Dig route across the middle on the first drive of most games to set up the route tree for the rest of the afternoon. He can beat you at many different depths. And once he catches the ball, the fun begins. He also is a very ferocious blocker for a man under 200 pounds and shows an edge and competitiveness that is required to survive on Sundays. The 1st guy seldom brings him down.
What I did not like: His hands will occasionally betray him on a ball, but I would not call it a big issue as sometimes the throws are coming through a lot of traffic. The drops are not plentiful, but it is clearly something he will need to continue to focus on because the passing lanes get smaller up a level. Beyond that, he is not an aerial threat and cannot run every route because of that, but the way he abuses coverages make him an ideal slot or WR2 to challenge the decision making ability of a safety who is also looking at a game-breaker on the other side (Dez).
Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys: It is going to be very interesting to see which of the Big 12 wide receivers end up having the highest draft position and the best career (which may not be the same answer). Baylor's Corey Coleman, TCU's Josh Doctson, and Shepard all have a chance to get into the 1st round and all have a chance to do some real damage in this league. The thing is, they all do different things well and it will be up to the beholder to find the beauty of each individual.
From a Cowboys standpoint, you can clearly see that they believe in this position and how it fits in their offense. Cole Beasley has a skill set that should not be undervalued and his cap number is worth the trouble as a guy who Tony Romo has real chemistry with for sure. But, Shepard can do things that Beasley cannot, so to pair them together underneath or to add this weapon as a versatile option that can move around and attack vertically as well is a very appealing option at the top of round 2. But, that assumes Shepard is available at that point. I think he can really make a difference at the next level.
You can view plenty of his tape here at Draftbreakdown.com