Packers at Cowboys | Week 15 Gameday Chatter Thread | 12/15/13

E_D_Guapo said:
Yes, as disgusted as I am with the state of this team the offensive line is really coming together. Legitimately playing well. A couple of excellent young pieces in critical spots too. Tyron Smith is really looking like the franchise LT they were hoping for. From what I can tell Frederick is playing well for a rookie C. Everyone else is playing at least well enough because they're having some success and looking pretty good.
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I agree. This team ( especially offense) when clicking can play with most. For some reason they cannot seem to keep it together for an entire game. Maybe there should be a league that only plays half a game. Champion trophy would stay in Dallas.
 
E_D_Guapo said:






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I will blame Jones for a lot of things principally personnel selection and other GM debacles but once the team takes the field I think the game falls under coaches and player responsibility. This game in particular falls that way because all the elements for a win were delivered. The coaches and players screwed pooch.
 
L.T. Fan said:
I will blame Jones for a lot of things principally personnel selection and other GM debacles but once the team takes the field I think the game falls under coaches and player responsibility. This game in particular falls that way because all the elements for a win were delivered. The coaches and players screwed pooch.
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Yes, this kind of thing is on the coaches and players. The guy that puts that together and sets the tone for the organization as a whole has to be included, though, IMO. He's the one who handpicked this coaching staff and invested in these players after all.
 
L.T. Fan said:
I will blame Jones for a lot of things principally personnel selection and other GM debacles but once the team takes the field I think the game falls under coaches and player responsibility. This game in particular falls that way because all the elements for a win were delivered. The coaches and players screwed pooch.
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I agree.

The constant choke jobs and game day blunders are on the players and coaches.
 
E_D_Guapo said:
Yes, this kind of thing is on the coaches and players. The guy that puts that together and sets the tone for the organization as a whole has to be included, though, IMO. He's the one who handpicked this coaching staff and invested in these players after all.
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That is appropriate in the broad brush scheme of things but in this stand alone incident it was all on the working stiffs.
 
L.T. Fan said:
That is appropriate in the broad brush scheme of things but in this stand alone incident it was all on the working stiffs.
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Well, sure, if you look at this as a stand alone incident. I look at it as yet another in a mounting series of embarrassing debacles that has taken place with this group of players/coaches. In-game it's on those guys for sure but I can't ignore that fact that Jerry is the one that assembled this mess. He has extended too many players that didn't deserve it, blown too many draft picks that could have provided better depth, handed the head coaching position to Garrett regardless of if he was ready or not, ran off a pretty good defensive coordinator to bring in a relic whose system was a poor fit for the personnel, et. al.
 
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E_D_Guapo said:
Well, sure, if you look at this as a stand alone incident. I look at it as yet another in a mounting series of embarrassing debacles that has taken place with this group of players/coaches. In-game it's on those for sure but I can't ignore that fact that Jerry is the one that assembled this mess. He has extended too many players that didn't deserve it, blown too many draft picks that could have provided better depth, handed the head coaching position to Garrett regardless of if he was ready or not, ran off a pretty good defensive coordinator to bring in a relic whose system was a poor fit for the personnel, et. al.
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Well it is hard for me to blame any GM for a team blowing a huge lead but that's just me. By the way, great Job on the banner.
 
E_D_Guapo said:
Well, sure, if you look at this as a stand alone incident. I look at it as yet another in a mounting series of embarrassing debacles that has taken place with this group of players/coaches. In-game it's on those guys for sure but I can't ignore that fact that Jerry is the one that assembled this mess. He has extended too many players that didn't deserve it, blown too many draft picks that could have provided better depth, handed the head coaching position to Garrett regardless of if he was ready or not, ran off a pretty good defensive coordinator to bring in a relic whose system was a poor fit for the personnel, et. al.
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Spot on. You can't blame Garrett for this long series of crap performances without blaming the GM that hired him. Can't do it.
 
L.T. Fan said:
Well it is hard for me to blame any GM for a team blowing a huge lead but that's just me. By the way, great Job on the banner.
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You can blame the GM for hiring him, and in turn not firing him.
 
Iamtdg said:
You can blame the GM for hiring him, and in turn not firing him.
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That does not remotely address my comment. You are dealing in broad brush generalities and my comments are directed to a specific set of circumstances. I don't give Jones a pass on anything he deserves but this game is not not on him.
 
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Yesterday's game was the worst loss I can remember, since the last worst loss I can remember. They seem to come thick and last these days. Four in particular come to mind from the last 3 seasons.

As far as the blame game pie for yesterday goes; I'd say 90% is on Garrett, 5% on Romo and 5% on that god awful defense. Others have said it, but this really is the sort of coaching performance last gets someone fired. I really don't think Jones wants to fire Garrett and will probably only do so if the last two games are lost. I had high hopes for him when he got hired, but yesterday, it finally dawned on me that he and Romo are just not a good fit for each other.

Romo loves to throw the ball and Garrett likes to show how smart he thinks he is. We would probably have won that game yesterday if the coaches didn't come out for the second half.

If a change is made at HC, I'd probably prefer it to be a Defensive coach and then hire someone like Kubiak as OC, or someone who will lean on the running game and PA passing. I am sort of lost for possible solutions. I really hate the idea of becoming a franchise who changes coaches every 3 or 4 seasons and claims to be starting fresh. That doesn't work, but it appears that this is where we are yet again. Thanks Jerry.
 
L.T. Fan said:
That does not remotely address my comment. You are dealing in broad brush generalities and my comments are directed to a specific set of circumstances. I don't give Jones a pass on anything he deserves but this game is not not on him.
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Yeah, and by extension if big leads get blown on an unusual basis you can blame the GM for not firing him. Did you know that in Cowboys history they had never blown a 21+ point lead until Detroit a couple of years ago, and now they have done it twice.
 
Iamtdg said:
Yeah, and by extension if big leads get blown on an unusual basis you can blame the GM for not firing him. Did you know that in Cowboys history they had never blown a 21+ point lead until Detroit a couple of years ago, and now they have done it twice.
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I give up.:towel
 
Bayless is still calling for us to win the East. :budd
 
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