Machota: With 'Senator' Byron Jones, Cowboys drafted more than just a workout warrior

ravidubey said:
I don't understand Marinelli's thoughts here. His most successful defense had Booger McFarland and John Lynch. Granted they were top layers and icing on an already rich cake, but they made a definite difference.
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Lynch yes, but Booger gets overrated a lot. Nice player and I'd take him in a heartbeat here in Dallas but he wasn't really what made that D-line in any way shape or form.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Lynch yes, but Booger gets overrated a lot. Nice player and I'd take him in a heartbeat here in Dallas but he wasn't really what made that D-line in any way shape or form.
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He was definitely the third best player on the DL, but IMO he was underrated if anything with Sapp, Rice, Brooks, Barber, Nickerson (for a while), and Lynch being the stars. He might only be remembered by Joe Fan because he's in the media and/or because he was a high pick.

He had a thankless job and his talent flat out made that team better. A player like Shelton Quarles for example would not have been recognized as a standout without a guy like McFarland in front of him.
 
Lynch was a bit overrated as well he performed a specific task on a stacked defense, I don't see him being that much better than Church, a bigger hitter a bit better tackler but not a difference maker IMO.

I want to see how Wilcox does this year if he makes no leap I want a true free and move him to the box guy.
 
Jiggyfly said:
Lynch was a bit overrated as well he performed a specific task on a stacked defense, I don't see him being that much better than Church, a bigger hitter a bit better tackler but not a difference maker IMO.
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If by a bit you mean a shit ton better then I agree.

He was also better in coverage which isn't saying a lot for Lynch, but Church got straight embarrassed last year.
 
Jiggyfly said:
Lynch was a bit overrated as well he performed a specific task on a stacked defense, I don't see him being that much better than Church
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Next time you think about criticizing any personnel misevaluation I've ever made, please stop and remind yourself of this statement.
 
Jiggyfly said:
Lynch was a bit overrated as well he performed a specific task on a stacked defense, I don't see him being that much better than Church, a bigger hitter a bit better tackler but not a difference maker IMO.
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:lol
 
Jiggyfly said:
Lynch was a bit overrated as well he performed a specific task on a stacked defense, I don't see him being that much better than Church, a bigger hitter a bit better tackler but not a difference maker IMO.
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Wut
 
I think John Lynch was a hard hitter and opportunist, with a penchant for the clutch interception. His role as a leader can't be understated too.

Lynch may have been a little weak in coverage, but he was a guy who started 12 straight years on some great defenses. Church is the definition of a JAG, I don't know if he starts on any other NFL team.
 
Whatever, Lynch on this defense would have people calling for his head, He was a smart player who fit perfectly with that defense, he was not some game changer.
 
townsend said:
I think John Lynch was a hard hitter and opportunist, with a penchant for the clutch interception. His role as a leader can't be understated too.

Lynch may have been a little weak in coverage, but he was a guy who started 12 straight years on some great defenses. Church is the definition of a JAG, I don't know if he starts on any other NFL team.
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I think you understate Church, I think he is at least average as a safety.
 
Jiggyfly said:
I think you understate Church, I think he is at least average as a safety.
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Maybe. I haven't been particularly impressed by him, but I can't confess to studying him either. I mostly just see the eff ups and the big plays.
 
Church is ok. I don't worry about him, but it wouldn't be hard to upgrade that position.

Saying he's on John Lynch's tier is just silly though.
 
Jiggyfly said:
Lynch was a bit overrated as well he performed a specific task on a stacked defense, I don't see him being that much better than Church, a bigger hitter a bit better tackler but not a difference maker IMO.
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:lol

Damn.
 
mschmidt64 said:
Church is ok. I don't worry about him, but it wouldn't be hard to upgrade that position.

Saying he's on John Lynch's tier is just silly though.
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I worry about him. He missed a ton of tackles last year where he just took terrible angles and looked like a fool. He also had a lot of busted coverage. I'm very worried about Church. If he wasn't a solid leader I'd probably be calling for his head. He is definitely a low level starting NFL safety.

Our lack of effort to upgrade safety makes little sense to me. It's actually why I wouldn't mind Jones at safety either. Wilcox is better then Church in my opinion.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
I worry about him. He missed a ton of tackles last year where he just took terrible angles and looked like a fool. He also had a lot of busted coverage. I'm very worried about Church. If he wasn't a solid leader I'd probably be calling for his head. He is definitely a low level starting NFL safety.

Our lack of effort to upgrade safety makes little sense to me. It's actually why I wouldn't mind Jones at safety either. Wilcox is better then Church in my opinion.
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See, that's how I feel about Wilcox. He's the guy I saw take a bunch of terrible angles. I think he has room to grow though. My feeling would be Jones at FS, eventually Wilcox takes over for Church at SS.
 
mschmidt64 said:
See, that's how I feel about Wilcox. He's the guy I saw take a bunch of terrible angles. I think he has room to grow though. My feeling would be Jones at FS, eventually Wilcox takes over for Church at SS.
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I wish I had the videos to show it but man Church had some truly horrific games last year. I actually thought Wilcox looked a lot more reliable in coverage and while he takes some bad angles I feel like he makes some athletic plays against the run that I never see Church make.

The worst was I remember Church talking some shit before one of our games. I can't remember which one and then he got absolutely abused all game long. I just don't see it with him. He is a good leader with legit undrafted physical talent.
 
Ok I admit undersold Lynch but I think he was a good safety who benefitted greatly from playing on a all-time defense.

I also think Church is not on that level but I think he could perform near that given the same supporting cast.
 
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