JJT: Pressure's on for Darren McFadden

[Cotton]

Again you're wrong. If Dallas rushes for 200 yards with 5.5 ypc from the runningback position it doesn't matter if 3 guys accomplish it or 1. In fact one could argue the 3 guys would be more effective in the clutch situation that you mention. Because on 3rd and 1 when everyone knows you are running the ball you can pull a guy off your bench with fresh legs whose specialty is powering for a yard or two. As opposed to the RB who has carried the ball 28 times and is running on fumes. Who might be good at everything but special at none.

What matters is who is on the field in a 3rd and short, or any down for that matter. That makes a huge difference as to what defensive play call is made by the opposing DC. That's the issue with RBBC. It makes it easier for DCs to call plays because of personnel on the field.

 

[cmd34]

What matters is who is on the field in a 3rd and short.

Garrett will confuse defenses with double fullback offense.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

What matters is who is on the field in a 3rd and short, or any down for that matter. That makes a huge difference as to what defensive play call is made by the opposing DC. That's the issue with RBBC. It makes it easier for DCs to call plays because of personnel on the field.

Yeah you have to be really careful not to just run certain plays with certain RBs. Otherwise it can quickly become a tell as to what you're doing.

 

[ravidubey]

Why do you think that? He signed the same contract as Williams and last year Joseph Randle was more productive then both of them.

McFadden's role in Oakland was a primary runner with 155 carries. Randle's 55 carries were in cleanup or to give Murray a breather. I think their intended roles are at this time the same as last year.

Of course Randle would average more per carry behind Dallas' 2014 OL in a balanced offense than McFadden in frigging Oakland. By that measure, Randle was the most "productive" RB with over 14 carries in the entire league. He's so great he should really be holding out.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Of course Randle would average more per carry behind Dallas' 2014 OL in a balanced offense than McFadden in frigging Oakland. By that measure, Randle was the most "productive" RB with over 14 carries in the entire league. He's so great he should really be holding out.

Latavius Murray was the better runner in Oakland as well last year.

I know you have an unjustified hatred towards Joseph Randle but you don't luck into 6.7 YPC on accident.

 

[ravidubey]

I know you have an unjustified hatred towards Joseph Randle but you don't luck into 6.7 YPC on accident.

I don't hate Randle. I dislike his inability to take a single inch more than the OL blocks for him. Yes he had a big run vs Washington... and you could literally drive a pickup through the hole he ran through.

He's just blah, and the Cowboys could do better regardless of the stats.

The coaches clearly agree-- why give the ball to Murray at all if he averages a whole 2 yards per carry less than Randle ( ) yet Randle only got 3.2 carries per game?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The coaches clearly agree-- why give the ball to Murray at all if he averages a whole 2 yards per carry less than Randle ( ) yet Randle only got 3.2 carries per game?

I don't think anyone is claiming that Randle would average 6.7 yards per carry if he had to carry the ball nearly 400 times in a season. Clearly he should have gotten more carries last year though, well unless you agree with the coaches strategy of running Murray into the ground.

 

[ravidubey]

I don't think anyone is claiming that Randle would average 6.7 yards per carry if he had to carry the ball nearly 400 times in a season. Clearly he should have gotten more carries last year though, well unless you agree with the coaches strategy of running Murray into the ground.

I think the coaches wanted to win more than anything, and they felt Randle didn't give them that chance with the game in the balance.

Watching him, I agreed with them. Randle was good for a big run and then consistently vanished from that point forward. Towards the end of the season you could almost predict it.

I also believed he needed more carries though, only because Murray was getting worn to the bone for no reason.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I think the coaches wanted to win more than anything, and they felt Randle didn't give them that chance with the game in the balance.

Watching him, I agreed with them. Randle was good for a big run and then consistently vanished from that point forward. Towards the end of the season you could almost predict it.

I also believed he needed more carries though, only because Murray was getting worn to the bone for no reason.

Ravi if you have access to the last two or three games of the regular season, I think you will find that Randal was pretty reliable and consistent with his carries. He got better as the season wore on and I wondered why the coaches didn't use him more. Murray got worn down because the coaches did not want to risk the ball with any one but Murray. That said Randal didn't fall off with his carries.

 

[p1_]

Ravi if you have access to the last two or three games of the regular season, I think you will find that Randal was pretty reliable and consistent with his carries. He got better as the season wore on and I wondered why the coaches didn't use him more. Murray got worn down because the coaches did not want to risk the ball with any one but Murray. That said Randal didn't fall off with his carries.

So I reviewed the data for the last 3 games of the season:


Philly - 2 carries for 13 yards

Indy – 13 for 37, 2.8 ave

Skins – 4 for 69 ( 1 carry for 65 yds, 3 carries for 4 yds)
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not real impressed. The one long run as the Skins lifted their collective skirt, meh...

 

[Cowboysrock55]

So I reviewed the data for the last 3 games of the season:


Philly - 2 carries for 13 yards

Indy – 13 for 37, 2.8 ave

Skins – 4 for 69 ( 1 carry for 65 yds, 3 carries for 4 yds)
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not real impressed. The one long run as the Skins lifted their collective skirt, meh...

You could say they lifted their skirt. Or you could say that he did it against a defense knowing he was going to run the ball. Basically the same thing with the Indy carries.

 

[ravidubey]

Like I said, consistently he would surprise for a big gain and then instantly disappear. If someone had the number of times he was stuffed for under 2 yards I can't imagine it wouldn't be high.

But stats just don't tell the story with Randle, IMO. He lacks power, speed, and never once does he make someone miss.

It's exactly what the OL springs him for and no more.

Granted, with our 2014 OL that could occasionally be pretty nice, but I believe we deserve better.

I want the Cowboys to be an elite running team if not #1 every year. That can happen when the backups are only a notch behind the starter. A deep set of backs can carry a team through the playoffs when every other team is beaten up by comparison.

 

[L.T. Fan]

So I reviewed the data for the last 3 games of the season:


Philly - 2 carries for 13 yards

Indy – 13 for 37, 2.8 ave

Skins – 4 for 69 ( 1 carry for 65 yds, 3 carries for 4 yds)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

not real impressed. The one long run as the Skins lifted their collective skirt, meh...

That's pretty much what most RB's do. They plug along and occasionally break one, It's how it all sifts out that counts.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Like I said, consistently he would surprise for a big gain and then instantly disappear. If someone had the number of times he was stuffed for under 2 yards I can't imagine it wouldn't be high.

But stats just don't tell the story with Randle, IMO. He lacks power, speed, and never once does he make someone miss.

So much contradiction. I've showed the videos of his big plays last year before. He breaks tackles and pulls away from defenders on those plays. He displayed both speed and tackle breaking ability. I have no idea how he would look with 200 carries but the guy certainly isn't a waste of space on the field.

 

[Hawkeye19]

This article is pointless. No one expects McFadden to replace Murray. IMO-- this is a great signing. Give the vet another shot to fulfill his potential-- at a bargain. Add some depth through the draft. Let 4-5 guys battle it out during training camp.

I think D-Mac is licking his chops to have an opportunity to run behind this OL-- not feeling the pressure to fill Murray's shoes. In the end-- with Murray splitting carries with Matthews in Philly behind an inferior OL, if McFadden steps up-- he could conceivably outproduce Murray at 1/8th the cost.

THAT would be hilarious.

 

[p1_]

That's pretty much what most RB's do. They plug along and occasionally break one, It's how it all sifts out that counts.

Excluding the long run, he slogged along for 18 carries at 54 yards. A 3 yd per carry average is the essence of pedestrian.

 

[p1_]

This article is pointless. No one expects McFadden to replace Murray. IMO-- this is a great signing. Give the vet another shot to fulfill his potential-- at a bargain. Add some depth through the draft. Let 4-5 guys battle it out during training camp.

I think D-Mac is licking his chops to have an opportunity to run behind this OL-- not feeling the pressure to fill Murray's shoes. In the end-- with Murray splitting carries with Matthews in Philly behind an inferior OL, if McFadden steps up-- he conceivable outproduce Murray at 1/8th the cost.

THAT would be hilarious.

I would love that.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Like I said, consistently he would surprise for a big gain and then instantly disappear. If someone had the number of times he was stuffed for under 2 yards I can't imagine it wouldn't be high.

But stats just don't tell the story with Randle, IMO. He lacks power, speed, and never once does he make someone miss.

It's exactly what the OL springs him for and no more.

Granted, with our 2014 OL that could occasionally be pretty nice, but I believe we deserve better.

I want the Cowboys to be an elite running team if not #1 every year. That can happen when the backups are only a notch behind the starter. A deep set of backs can carry a team through the playoffs when every other team is beaten up by comparison.

Why must you go to the extreme to make a point he showed speed and the ability to make people miss on his long runs against Jacksonville and the Redskins.

The last time you said this Crock showed the videos disproving this, yet here you are again.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Excluding the long run, he slogged along for 18 carries at 54 yards. A 3 yd per carry average is the essence of pedestrian.

Look up Murray's runs at the end of the year and you would see the same things.

Excluding long runs is a terrible argument.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Why must you go to the extreme to make a point he showed speed and the ability to make people miss on his long runs against Jacksonville and the Redskins.

The last time you said this Crock showed the videos disproving this, yet here you are again.

Don't forget his big runs against Seattle.