Draft Chatter Thread...

[Smitty]

If linebacker is what we want, I might take Jaylon Smith over Jack despite the knee injury.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

If linebacker is what we want, I might take Jaylon Smith over Jack despite the knee injury.

It's all about how that knee looks and how it is progressing. I hate to have to redshirt him for his entire rookie season but shit happens. When you draft a guy in the first you want him for his entire career. Not just for what he does as a rookie.

 

[Jiggyfly]

If linebacker is what we want, I might take Jaylon Smith over Jack despite the knee injury.

There is no way in hell I am drafting a LB at 4 without him not being able to run before drafting him.

Jack could be a very special player I would have no issue getting a better Derrick Brooks out of this weak draft.

 

[Clay_Allison]

There is no way in hell I am drafting a LB at 4 without him not being able to run before drafting him.

Jack could be a very special player I would have no issue getting a better Derrick Brooks out of this weak draft.

If we pick Jack he'd better play the middle. We can leave Lee on the weak side.

 

[Jiggyfly]

If we pick Jack he'd better play the middle. We can leave Lee on the weak side.

I am about ready to get rid of Lee, he is just not dependable.

Anyway we play 2 LB the majority of the time anyway so it probably will not matter what his position is.

But I could see him in the middle.

 

[Cotton]

If we pick Jack he'd better play the middle. We can leave Lee on the weak side.

Jack is better suited to play Will. If I'm using the #4 pick in the draft I'm putting him where he is best. That said, I wouldn't take Jack at #4 for that very reason.

 

[Clay_Allison]

I am about ready to get rid of Lee, he is just not dependable.

Anyway we play 2 LB the majority of the time anyway so it probably will not matter what his position is.

But I could see him in the middle.

Doesn't look like we get much savings from cutting Lee if we cut him before June 1st we actually lose 900k against the cap. He's making a pretty affordable 3 million in 2016 and a starting LB is hard to replace at that price, even if he only starts 12-14 games.

Next year his salary spikes to 7 million and he's probably a gonner at that point. Hopefully Wilson or a pick in this draft is ready to step up and play by then.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Doesn't look like we get much savings from cutting Lee if we cut him before June 1st we actually lose 900k against the cap. He's making a pretty affordable 3 million in 2016 and a starting LB is hard to replace at that price, even if he only starts 12-14 games.

Next year his salary spikes to 7 million and he's probably a gonner at that point. Hopefully Wilson or a pick in this draft is ready to step up and play by then.

I'd have no problem moving Lee back to the middle. I think he has a greater impact in coverage playing in the middle. The only real concern is that he takes more of a beating there and is more likely to get hurt. But it's also just as likely that last season was one of his more healthy ones by chance. Just like 2011 when he played in 15 games.

 

[boozeman]

If we pick Jack he'd better play the middle. We can leave Lee on the weak side.

I don't think he is up to the mental side of playing MLB in this defense.

If you draft Jack, that means sending Lee make to the middle.

 

[Smitty]

I don't think he is up to the mental side of playing MLB in this defense.

If you draft Jack, that means sending Lee make to the middle.

And when I hear this, it's like, what the hell am I drafting at fourth overall???

 

[boozeman]

And when I hear this, it's like, what the hell am I drafting at fourth overall???

It is just our luck.

The one fucking year we get a top five pick, nobody can fucking figure out who the best player(s) are by February and we are left with non-essential positions like LDE, DB and LB with guys in the running.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Doesn't look like we get much savings from cutting Lee if we cut him before June 1st we actually lose 900k against the cap. He's making a pretty affordable 3 million in 2016 and a starting LB is hard to replace at that price, even if he only starts 12-14 games.

Next year his salary spikes to 7 million and he's probably a goner at that point. Hopefully Wilson or a pick in this draft is ready to step up and play by then.

Yeah 3 million is not bad, I just don't want to pass on a possible replacement depending on that guy.

 

[Jiggyfly]

It is just our luck.

The one fucking year we get a top five pick, nobody can fucking figure out who the best player(s) are by February and we are left with non-essential positions like LDE, DB and LB with guys in the running.

Yep it sucks.

 

[Simpleton]

2013 was worse, but yes, it's a shame. That's why we need to maximize the potential of the pick by taking a QB, I'd much rather roll the dice on a QB we have ranked say 7th overall than a LB ranked 3rd overall.

With that said, would the 4th pick last year been that much better?

Amari Cooper was a fantastic prospect for sure, but is Dante Fowler a better prospect than Bosa?

I'd say no.

Scherff went 5th overall, Leonard Williams would have been kind of an odd fit at 6-5, 300 although I'm sure he'd be more or less fine in our scheme, and feh to guys like Kevin White and Vic Beasley.

 

[Clay_Allison]

2013 was worse, but yes, it's a shame. That's why we need to maximize the potential of the pick by taking a QB, I'd much rather roll the dice on a QB we have ranked say 7th overall than a LB ranked 3rd overall.

With that said, would the 4th pick last year been that much better?

Amari Cooper was a fantastic prospect for sure, but is Dante Fowler a better prospect than Bosa?

I'd say no.

Scherff went 5th overall, Leonard Williams would have been kind of an odd fit at 6-5, 300 although I'm sure he'd be more or less fine in our scheme, and feh to guys like Kevin White and Vic Beasley.

I have no doubt Leonard Williams could play 3 technique.

 

[Simpleton]

I have no doubt Leonard Williams could play 3 technique.

Probably, although I kind of like him better as a 1. I'd take him over guys like Jack and Ramsey although I don't think I'd take him over one of the QB's. My point is that it's not like last year was overflowing with great prospects in the top 5-10 and neither was 2013, which was actually worse. The 2012 and 2014 drafts were better at the top for sure although in hindsight the 2012 top 10 has turned out to be a huge flop more or less while 2014 has kind of been one too to a much lesser extent, although it's still early.

The 2011 draft was clearly better but that 1st round will go down as the best of all time in my opinion.

So basically in the last 5 drafts we have one all-timer that's no comparison in 2011, 2012 which was better going into it but has been a huge flop, 2013 which was worse, 2014 which was better but still a bit underwhelming in hindsight and 2015 which was better but not by a longshot.

Kind of sucks, but it's not the end of the world like 2013 was.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Probably, although I kind of like him better as a 1. I'd take him over guys like Jack and Ramsey although I don't think I'd take him over one of the QB's. My point is that it's not like last year was overflowing with great prospects in the top 5-10 and neither was 2013, which was actually worse. The 2012 and 2014 drafts were better at the top for sure although in hindsight the 2012 top 10 has turned out to be a huge flop more or less while 2014 has kind of been one too to a much lesser extent, although it's still early.

The 2011 draft was clearly better but that 1st round will go down as the best of all time in my opinion.

So basically in the last 5 drafts we have one all-timer that's no comparison in 2011, 2012 which was better going into it but has been a huge flop, 2013 which was worse, 2014 which was better but still a bit underwhelming in hindsight and 2015 which was better but not by a longshot.

Kind of sucks, but it's not the end of the world like 2013 was.

I think a guy like Williams matched with Crawford in the middle of this defense would create a massive change on the field in terms of the whole defense. He'd be a game changer. I didn't watch him with the Jets but I took him in the Mayock (Titans) because of how impressed I was with the draft breakdown coverage of him at USC.

 

[Jiggyfly]

2013 was worse, but yes, it's a shame. That's why we need to maximize the potential of the pick by taking a QB, I'd much rather roll the dice on a QB we have ranked say 7th overall than a LB ranked 3rd overall.

With that said, would the 4th pick last year been that much better?

Amari Cooper was a fantastic prospect for sure, but is Dante Fowler a better prospect than Bosa?

I'd say no.

Scherff went 5th overall, Leonard Williams would have been kind of an odd fit at 6-5, 300 although I'm sure he'd be more or less fine in our scheme, and feh to guys like Kevin White and Vic Beasley.

Gambling on a QB can impact your franchise negatively much more, it ties you up for a set number of years trying to find out if he is actually the guy and stops you from continuing that search.

And hell yes having the 4th last year would have been better Give me Cooper, Williams, Shelton, White or Gurley and I would be ecstatic.

If I had Williams I would put at LE and put Lawrence at RE and then kick Williams inside on passing downs, I don't see how an athletic guy like Williams is an odd fit.

And you know Jerry is going to give a QB 5 years plus to figure out if he is the guy.

 

[Smitty]

It is just our luck.

The one fucking year we get a top five pick, nobody can fucking figure out who the best player(s) are by February and we are left with non-essential positions like LDE, DB and LB with guys in the running.

Thats why the pick that makes sense is far and away the QB if you grade him as a Pro Bowler.

 

[Smitty]

2013 was worse, but yes, it's a shame. That's why we need to maximize the potential of the pick by taking a QB, I'd much rather roll the dice on a QB we have ranked say 7th overall than a LB ranked 3rd overall.

With that said, would the 4th pick last year been that much better?

Amari Cooper was a fantastic prospect for sure, but is Dante Fowler a better prospect than Bosa?

I'd say no.

Scherff went 5th overall, Leonard Williams would have been kind of an odd fit at 6-5, 300 although I'm sure he'd be more or less fine in our scheme, and feh to guys like Kevin White and Vic Beasley.

Oh man, I'd feel much better about Fowler, Leonard Williams, Beasley and Amari Cooper. Amari Cooper is better clearly than Laquan Treadwell I think.