Dez Bryant: The Survivor

Jiggyfly said:
This could possibly be true but then you have to ignore the fact that he claimed Dez was living rent free while was taking 17 thous a month from him in payments for housing exspenses.

Wells has a very shady history I don't think you have read enough to think it's unfair and accurate for this depiction, what about those endoresment deal checks he kept?
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I'm not saying he's some angel who didn't care one bit about gaining something from this relationship. I already said he was shady.

But I know better than to completely trust one-sided articles like this. I'm sure Roc was behind this cover story in the first place, and they had a vested interest in making Wells look bad.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
I'm not saying he's some angel who didn't care one bit about gaining something from this relationship. I already said he was shady.

But I know better than to completely trust one-sided articles like this. I'm sure Roc was behind this cover story in the first place, and they had a vested interest in making Wells look bad.
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Of course they have an agenda as does Wells and he has said some stuff about Dez that's self-serving.

I just don't see the article as that unfair they seemed to back up their case with facts of Well's wrongdoing and his own words in the article does him no favors.
 
Jiggyfly said:
Wait what?

He has made a decision to keep himself out of these things and has done so since the incident with his mother.

What has he done since then to make you feel he is not keeping himself clean?

And really what of any of those incidents is handler security team worthy, whearing saggy jeans in a mall, hitting your mother with a baseball cap, having debt?

I understand why the team should be worried but at the end of the day they cannot make him pay for his own babysitter who looks like a bad guy guy in his own right.

At what point should he want to take control of his own life he has not had a peep of trouble since 2013 and the incidents before that were wildley overblown.

He has kept himself in check, what exactly is he doing for you to say he is not keeping himself out of "situations"
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He didn't just "wear baggy jeans at a mall," ... he wore baggy jeans and either he or someone from his entourage got booted from the mall by security. He didn't hit his mother with a cap... He hit his mother with a cap and was riled up enough that she felt compelled to call the cops.

I don't think Dez is a bad egg and I defend him from all the Eagles fans around here who say he's Michael Irvin Pt 2, but you -- and this article -- are apparently trying to portray him in a light that's not fair either.

He IS the one ultimately responsible for these incidents and they ARE enough to make a team that is under the microscope legitimately worry -- even if it's only about their investment in him and not for him as a person (though I do tend to think it's both).

Dez has behaved more recently, but to try to depict all the "Dez rules" as a product of misunderstanding and assumptions about him, that he never should have been subject to?

Nope. He brought it on himself. The team was right for most if not all those rules, and the ones they may have gone overboard with, I hardly blame them for being overly cautious.
 
ravidubey said:
Clearly the Jones play dirty when they think they can get away with it.
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At the end of the day they paid him a deal which Demaryus Thomas also thought was fair and will set the market for elite WRs for years to come.

The Joneses did not get any kind of discount here. Hard to blame them for trying with all the other big contracts they have coming up.
 
mschmidt64 said:
He didn't just "wear baggy jeans at a mall," ... he wore baggy jeans and either he or someone from his entourage got booted from the mall by security. He didn't hit his mother with a cap... He hit his mother with a cap and was riled up enough that she felt compelled to call the cops.

I don't think Dez is a bad egg and I defend him from all the Eagles fans around here who say he's Michael Irvin Pt 2, but you -- and this article -- are apparently trying to portray him in a light that's not fair either.

He IS the one ultimately responsible for these incidents and they ARE enough to make a team that is under the microscope legitimately worry -- even if it's only about their investment in him and not for him as a person (though I do tend to think it's both).

Dez has behaved more recently, but to try to depict all the "Dez rules" as a product of misunderstanding and assumptions about him, that he never should have been subject to?

Nope. He brought it on himself. The team was right for most if not all those rules, and the ones they may have gone overboard with, I hardly blame them for being overly cautious.
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I never said he has not needed supervision in the past, you were the one acting like he has ongoing issues and at no point in that article was claiming being a victim other than not wanting to work with Wells anymore.

He has not behaved "more" recently he has hads zero issues and wants more control of his life, how can you not understand him wanting to get out from under Wells?

I have no issue with the team being overcautious I have big issues with them trying to force Wells on him if true.
 
I caught part of Jerry's interview on 105.3 this morning and about all he would say on David Wells was there's two sides to a story. Jerry did bring up Dez was already living with Wells before he was drafted and there was a comfort level there.
 
mschmidt64 said:
He didn't just "wear baggy jeans at a mall," ... he wore baggy jeans and either he or someone from his entourage got booted from the mall by security. He didn't hit his mother with a cap... He hit his mother with a cap and was riled up enough that she felt compelled to call the cops.
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And those are just the incidents we've heard about. I've heard many times that there are a lot more things that never came to the light of day.

Now that doesn't mean Dez is a bad guy. Like you, I think he's a good guy. But even well-intentioned people can screw up.
 
mschmidt64 said:
He didn't just "wear baggy jeans at a mall," ... he wore baggy jeans and either he or someone from his entourage got booted from the mall by security. He didn't hit his mother with a cap... He hit his mother with a cap and was riled up enough that she felt compelled to call the cops.

I don't think Dez is a bad egg and I defend him from all the Eagles fans around here who say he's Michael Irvin Pt 2, but you -- and this article -- are apparently trying to portray him in a light that's not fair either.

He IS the one ultimately responsible for these incidents and they ARE enough to make a team that is under the microscope legitimately worry -- even if it's only about their investment in him and not for him as a person (though I do tend to think it's both).

Dez has behaved more recently, but to try to depict all the "Dez rules" as a product of misunderstanding and assumptions about him, that he never should have been subject to?

Nope. He brought it on himself. The team was right for most if not all those rules, and the ones they may have gone overboard with, I hardly blame them for being overly cautious.
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That's about how I feel about it.
 
L.T. Fan said:
I don't think this is true. Jerry Jones has a long history of generosity to players even to the point of being taken advantage of. I think he is pretty fair about most situations and I personally have not heard any stories of him being unscrupulous regarding the team.
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I feel the Jones' took advantage of the "innocence" Romo says Dez has in their negotiations with him to the point Dez felt betrayed at several points during the process.

I'm mostly just glad that Demaryius Thomas was signed with enough time to bang out a similar deal for Dez before the deadline, because trust had eroded between Dez and the Jones's to the point they weren't going to get a deal done on their own.

I don't think that would have happened if the Jones' were always straight with Dez.

I believe they thought they could scare him into taking a lesser deal.
 
ravidubey said:
I feel the Jones' took advantage of the "innocence" Romo says Dez has in their negotiations with him to the point Dez felt betrayed at several points during the process.

I'm mostly just glad that Demaryius Thomas was signed with enough time to bang out a similar deal for Dez before the deadline, because trust had eroded between Dez and the Jones's to the point they weren't going to get a deal done on their own.

I don't think that would have happened if the Jones' were always straight with Dez.

I believe they thought they could scare him into taking a lesser deal.
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Yeah, I agree with this.
 
ravidubey said:
I feel the Jones' took advantage of the "innocence" Romo says Dez has in their negotiations with him to the point Dez felt betrayed at several points during the process.

I'm mostly just glad that Demaryius Thomas was signed with enough time to bang out a similar deal for Dez before the deadline, because trust had eroded between Dez and the Jones's to the point they weren't going to get a deal done on their own.

I don't think that would have happened if the Jones' were always straight with Dez.

I believe they thought they could scare him into taking a lesser deal.
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I thought Dez deal was before Thomas?

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"The deal was finalized just minutes after Dez Bryant and the Cowboys reached a five-year, $70 million deal ($45 million guaranteed). "
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos...-deals-for-demaryius-thomas-dez-bryant/34512/
 
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ravidubey said:
I feel the Jones' took advantage of the "innocence" Romo says Dez has in their negotiations with him to the point Dez felt betrayed at several points during the process.

I'm mostly just glad that Demaryius Thomas was signed with enough time to bang out a similar deal for Dez before the deadline, because trust had eroded between Dez and the Jones's to the point they weren't going to get a deal done on their own.

I don't think that would have happened if the Jones' were always straight with Dez.

I believe they thought they could scare him into taking a lesser deal.
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I can't comment about how you feel about the situation but I haven't heard anything that was dishonest, unethical or underhanded about any of the dealings. It seemed like a pretty straight forward hardline negotiation from both sides with only threats coming from Dez. I am not aware of any shenanigans that went on that emanated from the organization.
 
L.T. Fan said:
I can't comment about how you feel about the situation but I haven't heard anything that was dishonest, unethical or underhanded about any of the dealings. It seemed like a pretty straight forward hardline negotiation from both sides with only threats coming from Dez. I am not aware of any shenanigans that went on that emanated from the organization.
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He did not say any of it was underhanded or unethical just that it seems they were praying on his naivete or innocence.

That is backed up by the lowball offer and them getting upset when he changed agents.
 
Jiggyfly said:
He did not say any of it was underhanded or unethical just that it seems they were praying on his naivete or innocence.

That is backed up by the lowball offer and them getting upset when he changed agents.
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Lowball offers are part of negoiations. Obviously Dez wasn't naive because he immediately rejected it' He didn't get preyed on by anyone from the Cowboys organization. He was made an offer plain and simple it isn't any more than that.
 
L.T. Fan said:
Lowball offers are part of negoiations. Obviously Dez wasn't naive because he immediately rejected it' He didn't get preyed on by anyone from the Cowboys organization. He was made an offer plain and simple it isn't any more than that.
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I don't always agree with your old fashioned takes, but you are correct here.

Cowboys didn't do anything wrong. And that's my problem with the article... It tries to portray Bryant as the victim and the Cowboys and Wells as taking advantage of him. But really Dez deserved most of the treatment he received from the team.
 
mschmidt64 said:
I don't always agree with your old fashioned takes, but you are correct here.

Cowboys didn't do anything wrong. And that's my problem with the article... It tries to portray Bryant as the victim and the Cowboys and Wells as taking advantage of him. But really Dez deserved most of the treatment he received from the team.
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Well thanks I guess. Tell you a secret. The older you get the more you will develop a state of old fashioned takes. :art
 
Rolling Stone writer: Biggest misconception about Dez is that he's an 'ungovernable wild child'
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Published: 28 August 2015 09:00 PM
Updated: 28 August 2015 09:04 PM

Paul Solotaroff, who wrote the Rolling Stone article on Dez Bryant, joined Shan & RJ on KRLD-FM 105.3. Here are some highlights.

What type of access did you get to Dez?

Paul Solotaroff: I spent a fair amount. We were together three or four times. We had our maybe most revealing sitdown after I had finished the principle reporting. Dez came to town to do the Rolling Stone photoshoot. Afterwards, we all piled into his motorcade of SUVs and went over to a mob joint, Italian place, and somebody had clearly dropped word that we were coming. This tiny place, that takes 3-4 months to get into, every single person in the joint was wearing a Dez Bryant jersey, big white Italian guys and their kids. The first thing Dez does is grab all the kids and start throwing footballs to them.

What would you say is the biggest misconception about Dez?

Paul Solotaroff: That Dez is this ungovernable wild child, who is a 24/7 risk, self-destructive. Dez is a fully grown man who has learned bitter and expensive lessons and lives a very careful, very thoughtful life and is committed to being a force on the scale of a LeBron and M.J.
 
Rolling Stone writer: When we did photo shoot, women were 'advancing on Dez like the Walking Dead'



Published: 28 August 2015 08:58 PM
Updated: 28 August 2015 09:03 PM

Paul Solotaroff, who wrote the Rolling Stone article on Dez Bryant, joined Shan & RJ on KRLD-FM 105.3. Here are some highlights.

How did being around Michael Jordan and LeBron James compare to being around Dez?

Paul Solotaroff: Can I tell you what I told Dez? We wrapped the whole thing, we did the cover shoot of Dez, which was one of the great pieces of street theatre. We shot Dez Bryant shirtless, in his Cowboy cleats, pants and stirrups, in a very busy section of downtown New York City. We were throwing footballs to Dez and within 90 seconds, traffic had come to a dead halt for a mile-and-a-half and women came from every conceiveable vector and advancing on Dez like the Walking Dead, saying to themselves 'Must touch abdominals.'

Why do you like Dez Bryant so much?

Paul Solotaroff: Dez is the most genuine, the most passionate, the most unfiltered and the most sorely taxed and tribulated I think I've met in all of sports. Dez has survived more in his first five years on earth than any 10 people any of us know. Born to a 14-year-old mom. He was raised in the most blinding abject poverty, straight through high school. Lived in trailers that should have been abandoned the day they were built. Ate potato chips for dinner until he got to OSU. Was essentially raised by wolves, in spite of the enormous attention he got on Friday nights. What tells you everything you need to know about him is that people with good hearts stepped in at every opportunity to save Dez Bryant from the chasm. Dez has that effect on anybody who spends more than 20 minutes with him; you just fall in love with him.
 
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