DC.com Compiles First Seven-Round Mock Draft

Oh yeah, I forgot about Jenkins.
 
The fact that Claiborne was the 4th best DB on our team behind two 5th rounders (Carr/Scandrick) and an UDFA speaks volumes to me.
 
Iamtdg said:
It's much easier to look good at drafting a particular position when you are using nothing but first round picks on it.

Unless you are talking about Newman... or Claiborne.

Wait, maybe my point sucks.
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Newman was a fine CB. Played well above average most of his career with only a couple of years with a pass rush in front of him and never a stout front, giving opposing offenses a balanced attack every time. In 2005, he played coverage to the point where people didn't want to throw in his direction (they just picked the other side).

But Claiborne's not even a pro. It's not fair to Newman to lump both in the same category.
 
ravidubey said:
Newman was a fine CB. Played well above average most of his career with only a couple of years with a pass rush in front of him and never a stout front, giving opposing offenses a balanced attack every time. In 2005, he played coverage to the point where people didn't want to throw in his direction (they just picked the other side).

But Claiborne's not even a pro. It's not fair to Newman to lump both in the same category.
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Newman was decent enough at times. People just remember the end when he was terrible. Either way he never lived up to his draft position
 
Newman was very similar to Quentin Jammer. Good enough to be a long term starter. But it's tough to see all the players you missed out on by picking him.
 
townsend said:
Newman was very similar to Quentin Jammer. Good enough to be a long term starter. But it's tough to see all the players you missed out on by picking him.
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Terrell Suggs, sure. Kevin Williams is another. But that happens in every draft.

Newman was a long term starter who wishes he had the defensive front Jammer had.

Morris Claiborne is a borderline disaster considering he not only has barely played he has also cost us both Michael Brockers and Bobby Wagner.

The two aren't in the same picture.
 
Can anyone recall a bigger fail than Claiborne in the Jones era?
 
p1_ said:
Can anyone recall a bigger fail than Claiborne in the Jones era?
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Bobbeh Carpenter has to be in the discussion.
 
Clay_Allison said:
At least Bobbeh was only picked at 18 and we didn't trade up to get him.
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True but Claiborne at least was a starting player for us. Bobby Carpenter started like a total of 3 games in Dallas. In a league where first round picks get every opportunity to start some games that dude couldn't even manage to do that.
 
NoDak said:
Yeah, just a little bit. He's only considering the 11 starters on defense. And even then, not including that there are more than one starting corners on defense. But since we actually are allowed to use first rounders on the other side of the ball (which we have quite often) it lessens the shock value of his attempt if they're included. All in all, a pretty sad attempt.
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Yeah, I was assuming we take one this year. That's not manipulating the numbers, it's pretty much just raw numerical data... though maybe some don't like the conclusion.

Since Newman it would be 4 CBs. Out of 22 starters, that's the same fractions as 2/11ths.

Anyway, still far too often to be considered wise.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
True but Claiborne at least was a starting player for us. Bobby Carpenter started like a total of 3 games in Dallas. In a league where first round picks get every opportunity to start some games that dude couldn't even manage to do that.
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Claiborne was forced into a starting spot because of draft position. Bobbeh got lost in the shuffle when Wade came in.
 
mschmidt64 said:
Stop manipulating the numbers.
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Two top 10 corners since 1989. Not sure why we would stop in 2003. I would consider it manipulating the numbers when we go out of our way to include Newman who was over a decade ago but then not include any other years prior.
 
We've drafted 8 first round Defensive end/Outside linebackers since 1994, and that means something!
 
mschmidt64 said:
At a position that comprises 1/11th of the starters, we will have used 4 first rounders on the position since 2003. That's 4/12.

Twice as often as average for a position that should get half as many first rounders.
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Shouldn't it be 2/11?
 
townsend said:
Newman was very similar to Quentin Jammer. Good enough to be a long term starter. But it's tough to see all the players you missed out on by picking him.
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Surely Newman was better than Jammer. I think Newman was more like Trufant.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Surely Newman was better than Jammer. I think Newman was more like Trufant.
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Honestly I think people aren't being hard enough on Newman. I remember a lot of seasons where teams were passing on us effortlessly. (The end of the 06 season stands out particularly.) it may be unfair, but in a lot of ways Newman seems like the biggest staple of most of our "gutless" defensive efforts.
 
townsend said:
Honestly I think people aren't being hard enough on Newman. I remember a lot of seasons where teams were passing on us effortlessly. (The end of the 06 season stands out particularly.) it may be unfair, but in a lot of ways Newman seems like the biggest staple of most of our "gutless" defensive efforts.
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You can't depend on any DB to defend perfect passes, and teams had time to throw those on Dallas because outside of Ware there was 0 pass rush. All it takes is one.

Besides, a CB is only a quarter of "quarters" coverage. If the other players are vulnerable, then you could have Deion Sanders and it wouldn't matter.

There are also many plays that didn't get made because Newman had the speed and technique to remain in position, but he's damned to get any credit because you can't statistically prove a negative.

His flaw was his lack of any ball skills whatsoever. He also took way too much scrutiny for not being Terrell Suggs.
 
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