Cowboys at Lions | Week 8 Game Day Chatter Thread | 10/27/2013

[GShock]

I also don't want any college coaches unless it's David Shaw, and just because he seems like he has an NFL demeanor and his teams play a very professional style of football, I don't want any of these bullshit spread option coaches in Dallas because they will be back in college 3-4 years later.

Shaw would be one of my top choices if we were to fire Garrett quite honestly, along with Greg Roman and of course Gruden just for kicks.

I think I would be on board for Shaw. Of course, I would have gone for Ferentz last time around, too.

There's always Nick Saban, too, but it's hard to imagine him wanting to come here. Heck, Shaw could get better offers.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Actually, Deuce and I had kinda moved on and were talking about the coaching debate when Garrett does get fired.



No, but he's the caliber guy we're gonna get.

Also.... there is something to be said for waiting for the right guy. Sorry if you can't admit that, but it's true. If you hire a new coach now, there is just a zero percent chance that Jerry will fire him the very next offseason. Once he's got 2-3 years in, then he's fireable. I definitely would like to have that fireable window open to make a move for the right guy.

I'm not saying to fire Garrett midseason so there's nothing to admit.

As far as waiting for the right guy to come along, yeah that's the wrong strategy. There is no one "right" guy, and there are guys who could win here available almost every year.

 

[Smitty]

I'm not saying to fire Garrett midseason so there's nothing to admit.

As far as waiting for the right guy to come along, yeah that's the wrong strategy. There is no one "right" guy, and there are guys who could win here available almost every year.

There was one (1) last year.

I don't know who is available this year yet. I think you are wrong, I think the coaches who are better than average do not come along every single offseason, or at least not multiple ones.

Averages coaches, sure, which is why literally anyone was better than Wade.

 

[Smitty]

I think I would be on board for Shaw. Of course, I would have gone for Ferentz last time around, too.

There's always Nick Saban, too, but it's hard to imagine him wanting to come here. Heck, Shaw could get better offers.

I was a big fan of Saban but he flopped pretty badly in Miami. Ferentz interests me.

 

[Genghis Khan]

And while you are waiting for the right guy and leaving the "fireable window" open, meanwhile you are wasting the primes of Romo, Ware, Witten, and maybe even Bryant.

 

[Deuce]

There was one (1) last year.

I don't know who is available this year yet.

You don't know that. It's too soon to pass judgment on any of the new coaches yet. I have high hopes for McCoy and Bradley (though he's in an impossible situation).

 

[Genghis Khan]

There was one (1) last year.

I don't know who is available this year yet.

I disagree with that completely. And you have no idea whether that's true.

 

[Rev]

I was a big fan of Saban but he flopped pretty badly in Miami. Ferentz interests me.

Remember the Stoops rumors we always get when our coaching job becomes available.

 

[Smitty]

And while you are waiting for the right guy and leaving the "fireable window" open, meanwhile you are wasting the primes of Romo, Ware, Witten, and maybe even Bryant.

Getting an elite coach, in theory, would be worth twice as much as the primes of those guys. I would trade every single one of them for a 55 year old Bill Parcells whose tank was full.

 

[Smitty]

You don't know that. It's too soon to pass judgment on any of the new coaches yet. I have high hopes for McCoy and Bradley (though he's in an impossible situation).

They'd be in impossible situations here.

 

[Rev]

And while you are waiting for the right guy and leaving the "fireable window" open, meanwhile you are wasting the primes of Romo, Ware, Witten, and maybe even Bryant.

Romo, Ware, and Witten are wasted for sure.

 

[Deuce]

They'd be in impossible situations here.

Please.

This situation is infinitely better than Jacksonville. He's a defensive minded coach with the best pressure player in the league and enough offensive talent to cover while his side of the ball gets right. Where he's at now, he's got his unit playing tough but the O can't muster a damn thing.

 

[NoDak]

And while you are waiting for the right guy and leaving the "fireable window" open, meanwhile you are wasting the primes of Romo, Ware, Witten, and maybe even Bryant.

Yep.

But hey. Let's hold out hope of getting an old, burned out Parcells back.

 

[Smitty]

I disagree with that completely. And you have no idea whether that's true.

I have a pretty good idea that there was 1.

The others, who knows? Most of them don't look great, the others are question marks.

Does it matter?

We need a home run. We need a guy who can force Jerry to the background. Marginal, arguable improvements will get us nowhere.

If you actually believed that Jerry was the real problem here, and set aside your hate of Garrett and took him out of the equation, you'd realize that is the only hope.

 

[Deuce]

I have a pretty good idea that there was 1.

The others, who knows? Most of them don't look great, the others are question marks.

Does it matter?

We need a home run. We need a guy who can force Jerry to the background. Marginal, arguable improvements will get us nowhere.

If you actually believed that Jerry was the real problem here, and set aside your hate of Garrett and took him out of the equation, you'd realize that is the only hope.

I'd settle for the more realistic scenario. The coach who can work with Jerry behind the scenes, but still coach up and manage the talent he has on the field. Someone who can manage the game correctly and do the most with what he has. Garrett isn't doing that. He has staff members who are able to take the dogshit talent he's been given and motivate them to play above their talent level. But Garrett himself hasn't done that at all with anyone.

 

[UncleMilti]

I'd settle for the more realistic scenario. The coach who can work with Jerry behind the scenes, but still coach up and manage the talent he has on the field. Someone who can manage the game correctly and do the most with what he has. Garrett isn't doing that. He has staff members who are able to take the dogshit talent he's been given and motivate them to play above their talent level. But Garrett himself hasn't done that at all with anyone.

I don't think theres a coach out there that can work with Jones AND establish himself as the one and only voice of the team.

That is what its going to take...a strong, vocal coach who makes it clear Jones is to do his job in the background, and not interfere with coaching decisions or ideas.

Until that happens, its going to be more 8-8 seasons of mediocrity.

 

[kidd]

You can add Fisher and Shanahan to that list for 2012 and 2010, respectively, though I think they fall more into the "retread" category that I don't think would get us over the hump

A guy who won 2 SBs is a retread?

 

[Carp]

Fucking spellcheck.

10 pushups for you.

Oops, I mean 4 for you Air Force guys.

Girl push ups.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I strongly disagree.



In 11 years, Lewis has been to the playoffs 4 times and never won a playoff game. I mean, I guess going 9-7 or 10-6 is "better" but to me, given that it's not with the negative weight of Jerry, I don't see a tangible difference. Lewis also has a couple of 4-12s in there and plenty of 8-8s and 7-9s.

I see absolutely no difference between him and Kubiak or Schwartz. You have to rank those guys, right, but if one is 15, one is 16, and one is 17, then I'm saying that's all really just a tie for 15.

I think Garrett is similarly placed. It's all more or less the same in that range.

What you erroneously discount in comparing coaches, including Garrett, is what a difference having a QB can make.

Garrett is mediocre while having a good QB, but you are comparing him to coaches who were mediocre while not having good QBs. Marvin Lewis, for instance, has had playoff teams just about every time he's had a good QB. Garrett? Not so much. That is a huge factor in evaluating a HC.

Whether they can get a good QB given a reasonable amount of time is another factor but Garrett inherited one so we can't judge him on that.

 

[Genghis Khan]

You don't know that. It's too soon to pass judgment on any of the new coaches yet. I have high hopes for McCoy and Bradley (though he's in an impossible situation).

I think Arians has shown some promise as well.