Archer: Mel Kiper Jr. has Cowboys taking DT in first mock

VA Cowboy said:
You can bet on him moving whether it's up or down. In the 90's when we drafted low we moved down some due to cap concerns. But we also tend to move up if he panics over a player.

The one thing we need to do though is draft smart. Most previous seasons when we've had a late pick we get all crazy taking projects and guys with great measurables but not much production. At least this year we do have some major needs so I don't think we need to worry about turning this into one of those special teams/potential drafts. I just hate wasting picks moving up unnecessarily or losing out on better players by moving down. Sometimes it's fine to just stay put and let the players come to you.
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If he has a shot at a Dez Bryant type talent I'm all for moving up.
 
Carp said:
If we pass on Goldman for Phillips I will throw a fully formed turd at the TV.
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As of now, I feel the same way. Goldman was a big reason why FSU was able to win so many games this year even though Winston frequently shat the bed in first halves. It's way too early in the process to know how things will shake out after the combine, more scouting, etc. though.
 
I'd take Goldman over Phillips too but I trust whatever route Marinelli has us go in terms of the DL.
 
If I have to hear about quick twitch stuff though I will not be amused.
 
I don't think Phillips has the motor Marinelli would be looking for.
 
Carp said:
Phillips in the first was a shocker. I wanted to see if we passed on Shelton for him.
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I mentioned in the early entries thread that I was shocked to see Kiper and others give Phillips a 1st/2nd round grade.

I don't see him as that type of impact player. He showed flashes during his tenure at Oklahoma but the consistency wasn't there.

However, I guess one could argue that he deserves the benefit of the doubt since he was coached up by Oklahoma's subpar defensive staff. Maybe with some quality coaching he can be that special, impact player.
 
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Phillips is still pretty raw, but he's got tremendous upside.
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Sounds like the epitome of a project-type player with "potential". Potential over production is a great way of turning a pick into a bust.
 
VA Cowboy said:
Sounds like the epitome of a project-type player with "potential". Potential over production is a great way of turning a pick into a bust.
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Many of us said the same thing about Dontari Poe because he was raw and full of "potential".

I was one of his loudest critics. But Poe has turned into a stud.

If Phillips lans in the right system with the right coaches maybe he blossoms.
 
VA Cowboy said:
I'd be interested in knowing where Mel has Shelton. Many others have him in the teen's in round one. But isn't he more of a 3-4 NT?
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He is the next coming of Haloti Ngata IMO.

Would love to have him, but he will go between 10-15 unless something weird happens.
 
A little late to the party, but if anyone wanted an easier to read version of the mock:

1) - TB Jameis Winston QB FSU
2) - TEN Marcus Mariota QB Ore
3) - JAC Leonard Williams DE USC
4) - OAK Amari Cooper WR BAMA
5) - WAS Randy Gregory DE NEB
6) - NYJ Shane Ray OLB MIZZOU
7) - CHI Landon Collins S BAMA
8) - ATL Dante Fowler DE FLA
9) - NYG Brandon Scherff OT IA
10) - STL TJ Clemmings OT PITT
11) - MIN DeVante Parker WR LOU
12) - CLE Danny Shelton DT WAS
13) - NO Vic Beasley DE CLEM
14) - MIA Shaq Thompson LB WAS
15) - SF Kevin White WR WV
16) - HOU Trae Waynes CB MICH ST
17) - SD Arik Armstead DE ORE
18) - KC Dorial Green Beckham WR OKL
19) - CLE Ereck Flowers OT MIA
20) - PHI Marcus Peters CB WAS
21) - CIN Bud Dupree DE KEN
22) - PIT Kevin Johnson CB WAKE
23) - DET Malcolm Brown DT TEX
24) - ARI Melvin Gordon RB WIS
25) - CAR Andrus Peat OT STAN
26) - BAL Devin Funchess WR MICH
27) - DAL Jordan Phillips DT OKL
28) - DEN Benardrick McKinney ILB MISS ST
29) - IND Jaelen Strong WR ARI ST
30) - GB Eddie Goldman DT FSU
31) - NE Sammie Coates WR AUB
32) - SEA Devin Smith WR OHIO ST
 
Thorn said:
A little late to the party, but if anyone wanted an easier to read version of the mock:

1) - TB Jameis Winston QB FSU
2) - TEN Marcus Mariota QB Ore
3) - JAC Leonard Williams DE USC
4) - OAK Amari Cooper WR BAMA
5) - WAS Randy Gregory DE NEB
6) - NYJ Shane Ray OLB MIZZOU
7) - CHI Landon Collins S BAMA
8) - ATL Dante Fowler DE FLA
9) - NYG Brandon Scherff OT IA
10) - STL TJ Clemmings OT PITT
11) - MIN DeVante Parker WR LOU
12) - CLE Danny Shelton DT WAS
13) - NO Vic Beasley DE CLEM
14) - MIA Shaq Thompson LB WAS
15) - SF Kevin White WR WV
16) - HOU Trae Waynes CB MICH ST
17) - SD Arik Armstead DE ORE
18) - KC Dorial Green Beckham WR OKL
19) - CLE Ereck Flowers OT MIA
20) - PHI Marcus Peters CB WAS
21) - CIN Bud Dupree DE KEN
22) - PIT Kevin Johnson CB WAKE
23) - DET Malcolm Brown DT TEX
24) - ARI Melvin Gordon RB WIS
25) - CAR Andrus Peat OT STAN
26) - BAL Devin Funchess WR MICH
27) - DAL Jordan Phillips DT OKL
28) - DEN Benardrick McKinney ILB MISS ST
29) - IND Jaelen Strong WR ARI ST
30) - GB Eddie Goldman DT FSU
31) - NE Sammie Coates WR AUB
32) - SEA Devin Smith WR OHIO ST
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Makes me ready for the Mayock Invitational.
 
boozeman said:
He is the next coming of Haloti Ngata IMO.

Would love to have him, but he will go between 10-15 unless something weird happens.
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I admittedly don't know much about him, but just reading about raw potential tends to scare me off. At least I do trust Marinelli when it comes to evaluating defense personnel, especially on the DL.
 
Angrymesscan said:
Ayuh

Phillips before Goldman is ludicre.
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This early in the process I worry less about the specific player in a mock draft and more about the actual position. I'm just glad to see us actually being projected to draft a DT. In an ideal world the best player available at 27 would be a DE but if not next up for me would be a DT.
 
I'm kinda curious about the Markus Golden kid from Mizzu. What's the board opinion of him as a late 1st?
 
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