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Simpleton said:
I think they should bring him back, depending on scheme fit with the new DC.

But he's basically our best DE right now and I think is on par with someone like Lawrence who just had a strong year in Seattle. If we can bring him back for relatively cheap I think it's a no brainer.
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Yeah I'd do the same price again. He is at least a quality rotational guy.
 
Didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I wanted to ask you guys what your best guess is on what happened on defense this year. And I don't mean just bad players and bad coaches -- we all know that.

Listening to some podcasts this morning, it's a total shitshow. They love Elam and prop him endlessly then he gets released before the year is over. Liafau looks fairly promising then this year doesn't play at all. They trade for Wilson and he doesn't play a single play this last game. They ask Jerry why and he doesn't know. It sounds like a massive disconnect between not just Eberflus and the players, but maybe Eberflus and Jerry. Broaddus suggested that Eberflus knows he's gone and so this is his way of giving Jerry the finger. Even happy friendly Schotty is basically calling our Eberflus.

Another good point is that you hired basically the entire staff (save Whitecotton) from Chicago when they weren't good on defense. Maybe these position coaches aren't any good.

Thanks (again) to our worthless media, we have to guess because they won't tell us anything of what they've heard. Give me your best guess of what was going on behind the scenes.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
They ask Jerry why and he doesn't know. It sounds like a massive disconnect between not just Eberflus and the players, but maybe Eberflus and Jerry.
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I think Eberflus is a dick. And Jerry saying Eberflus was a mistake in an interview made Eberflus basically say fuck it, I'll do this my way. From a normal organization standpoint the GM/Owner doesn't usually have any say of who plays or doesn't play on game day. But I get that in Cowboys world it sounds like something is strange when a guy doesn't play and the owner has no idea why. Eberflus know's his days are numbered. Jerry has all but said it and this was Eberflus basically giving a middle finger back in my opinion.

Eberflus and Murray are both going to kick rocks after this year. Murray has clearly been Eberflus's guy. So my guess is Eberflus was trying to let him shine before he has to find a new team.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I wanted to ask you guys what your best guess is on what happened on defense this year. And I don't mean just bad players and bad coaches -- we all know that.

Listening to some podcasts this morning, it's a total shitshow. They love Elam and prop him endlessly then he gets released before the year is over. Liafau looks fairly promising then this year doesn't play at all. They trade for Wilson and he doesn't play a single play this last game. They ask Jerry why and he doesn't know. It sounds like a massive disconnect between not just Eberflus and the players, but maybe Eberflus and Jerry. Broaddus suggested that Eberflus knows he's gone and so this is his way of giving Jerry the finger. Even happy friendly Schotty is basically calling our Eberflus.

Another good point is that you hired basically the entire staff (save Whitecotton) from Chicago when they weren't good on defense. Maybe these position coaches aren't any good.

Thanks (again) to our worthless media, we have to guess because they won't tell us anything of what they've heard. Give me your best guess of what was going on behind the scenes.
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Here's what I think:

-The cardinal sin was hiring a DC who I believe the game has passed by and who was out of ideas on how to evolve his scheme. You can tell it by the way he talks about his scheme, but also see it in the basic coverages we play. Everything about the coverages just looks and feels like it was plucked out of 2004 or 2014 without any nuance or disguise layered onto it, just straight basic cover-2, cover-3, etc.
-Our personnel wasn't, and isn't elite, and obviously trading Parsons didn't help matters but it's not as bad as the results have been, especially with an offense as explosive as ours and especially once Williams and Overshown joined.
-In hindsight I think the horrific LB play early on was a canary in the coal mine for how the game has passed Eberflus by. That was his specialty, as well as the specialty of his top lieutenant Borgonzi, and it's been the worst positional unit on the entire defense.
-Injuries in the secondary made things worse but we've seen shitty results regardless of who is out there, so I don't think that's a huge factor either way. If we had improved over the last half of the year like we did under Zimmer that'd be one thing, but that obviously isn't the case.
-I think a lot of the ideas that helped in the short-term (playing more man, "5 down", etc.) were at least partially influenced by Schottenheimer when he started getting more involved with the defense around the time of the first Washington game, which I think is another sign that Eberflus just doesn't have the ability to evolve his scheme with how the game has evolved.
-It's possible that Eberflus just didn't have a strong enough voice during last offseason but I'm skeptical of that given his history with the team and the FO. Even if that is the case it's not an excuse, it's his own fault if he isn't strong-willed enough to influence personnel decisions. Obviously he isn't going to get Jerry/Stephen to not be cheap, but he could easily steer them away from someone like Kenneth Murray if he wanted to.
-I don't even blame Jerry/Schottenheimer for hiring Eberflus, his profile is similar to guys like Dennis Allen and Vance Joseph who have been great as DC's after flaming out as HC's. Maybe if Schottenheimer had more of a say he could've smoked out how rigid Eberflus is in terms of his scheme and how he sees the game, but that's debatable to begin with.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I wanted to ask you guys what your best guess is on what happened on defense this year. And I don't mean just bad players and bad coaches -- we all know that.

Listening to some podcasts this morning, it's a total shitshow. They love Elam and prop him endlessly then he gets released before the year is over. Liafau looks fairly promising then this year doesn't play at all. They trade for Wilson and he doesn't play a single play this last game. They ask Jerry why and he doesn't know. It sounds like a massive disconnect between not just Eberflus and the players, but maybe Eberflus and Jerry. Broaddus suggested that Eberflus knows he's gone and so this is his way of giving Jerry the finger. Even happy friendly Schotty is basically calling our Eberflus.

Another good point is that you hired basically the entire staff (save Whitecotton) from Chicago when they weren't good on defense. Maybe these position coaches aren't any good.

Thanks (again) to our worthless media, we have to guess because they won't tell us anything of what they've heard. Give me your best guess of what was going on behind the scenes.
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Personally, I think Elberfuck being hired before Schotty has been the issue from the start . It has been festering all season long. In the beginning of the season, I believe Schotty was just willing to give it a try or play out if you will. But now not so much …Of course , this is magnified by the horrific performance of this defense. The fact Schotty wasn’t given a chance to have any input on who his DC would be has bothered him personally all year long … I think now that the end is near for Elberfuck , he ( Schotty ) is being a little more vocal…
 
Saw one of the Dallas morning shows put out there that he thought it was a conspiracy that Wilson didn't play this past weekend. Said that evidently Jerry said some stuff to the media about Eberflus that he didn't like so he didn't play the guy that Jerry traded for. Seems far-fetched but he goes on to say that was the same thing that McCarthey did by not playing Mingo. He didn't want the trade so didn't play him.

Not my opinion but something that was put out into the air.
 
Simpleton said:
-It's possible that Eberflus just didn't have a strong enough voice during last offseason but I'm skeptical of that given his history with the team and the FO. Even if that is the case it's not an excuse, it's his own fault if he isn't strong-willed enough to influence personnel decisions. Obviously he isn't going to get Jerry/Stephen to not be cheap, but he could easily steer them away from someone like Kenneth Murray if he wanted to.
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Bobby Belt has been saying on 105.3 that those guys were signed because Eberflus stumped for them. Said Murray was his guy and that's why they traded for him. I think Elam also. He and someone else (Broaddus?) said that's why Logan Wilson hasn't played, because Eberflus wasn't consulted on him and didn't want him, and that's one reason he isn't playing. (Edit, Rev stamped me on that.)

I actually think that's a big reason Jerry is cutting ties with him so quickly. It's one thing to coach poorly, and maybe Jerry could overlook that for a short time. But it's another to convince Jerry to trade for or draft guys and then they completely suck.
 
Rev said:
Saw one of the Dallas morning shows put out there that he thought it was a conspiracy that Wilson didn't play this past weekend. Said that evidently Jerry said some stuff to the media about Eberflus that he didn't like so he didn't play the guy that Jerry traded for. Seems far-fetched but he goes on to say that was the same thing that McCarthey did by not playing Mingo. He didn't want the trade so didn't play him.

Not my opinion but something that was put out into the air.
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Yeah .. I can see the first part of that being true with Wilson not playing because Elberfuck was trying to stick to Jerry… but I think McCarthy didn’t play Mingo because Mingo flat out sucks… and I trust McCarthy’s decision on that.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Bobby Belt has been saying on 105.3 that those guys were signed because Eberflus stumped for them. Said Murray was his guy and that's why they traded for him. I think Elam also. He and someone else (Broaddus?) said that's why Logan Wilson hasn't played, because Eberflus wasn't consulted on him and didn't want him, and that's one reason he isn't playing.

I actually think that's a big reason Jerry is cutting ties with him so quickly. It's one thing to coach poorly but it's another to convince Jerry to trade for or draft guys and then they suck.
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I mean Murray being on 3 teams in 4 years should’ve been the glaring statistic on not signing a guy like that … I think Elam was a science experiment that they thought would work in Elberfuck system … but we all have seen how those figures have played out ….
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Bobby Belt has been saying on 105.3 that those guys were signed because Eberflus stumped for them. Said Murray was his guy and that's why they traded for him. I think Elam also. He and someone else (Broaddus?) said that's why Logan Wilson hasn't played, because Eberflus wasn't consulted on him and didn't want him, and that's one reason he isn't playing. (Edit, Rev stamped me on that.)

I actually think that's a big reason Jerry is cutting ties with him so quickly. It's one thing to coach poorly but it's another to convince Jerry to trade for or draft guys and then they suck.
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This is probably the most likely scenario, cheap or not I do think they really listen to the DC's when it comes to their personnel preferences, primarily because our FO has no overarching philosophy on how to build a defense.

We all know how they bent over backwards for Quinn, they took Liufau 1-2 rounds early because Zimmer loved him, not to mention signing guys like Linval Joseph and Eric Kendricks.

I'd be shocked if they made those moves without Eberflus chiming in, and he probably drove the decisions in the first place.
 
SaveAHorseRideACowboy said:
Yeah .. I can see the first part of that being true with Wilson not playing because Elberfuck was trying to stick at the Jerry… but I think McCarthy didn’t play mango because Mingo flat out sucks… and I trust McCarthy’s decision on that.
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Exactly, I heard that part Rev mentioned and my first thought was, but this staff hasn't played Mingo either.

There was no agenda there. Mingo just can't play. But Bobby Belt hated McCarthy for some reason and loves to pin anything and everything on him.
 
Simpleton said:
Honestly, I'd be fine just bringing back Zimmer in a worst case scenario if they can pry him from his horse farm and child bride.
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Same here. I like Zimmer. And he and his hard-ass nature would make a nice bad cop to Schotty's good cop.

But apparently he got his feelers hurt so badly when they didn't give him a HC interview, I doubt he'd come back.
 
Simpleton said:
I think they should bring him back, depending on scheme fit with the new DC.

But he's basically our best DE right now and I think is on par with someone like Lawrence who just had a strong year in Seattle. If we can bring him back for relatively cheap I think it's a no brainer.
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I do too. He basically had Lawrence's production in 3 fewer games and he's making about 1/3 the money.
 
SaveAHorseRideACowboy said:
Personally, I think Elberfuck being hired before Schotty has been the issue from the start . It has been festering all season long. In the beginning of the season, I believe Schotty was just willing to give it a try or play out if you will. But now not so much …Of course , this is magnified by the horrific performance of this defense. The fact Schotty wasn’t given a chance to have any input on who his DC would be has bothered him personally all year long … I think now that the end is near for Elberfuck , he ( Schotty ) is being a little more vocal…
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It's got to be pretty frustrating when you're failing on someone else's terms. If I'm going to fail, I would want to do it with the guys I fucking chose.
 
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