2025 NFL Draft Chatter

[Cowboysrock55]

Yes, he has great instincts, feel, whatever to know when to make those subtle cuts. Not many backs have that.

Of course a back like an Achane doesn't have that but he has pure speed which is worth something in the NFL.

I guess my point was, he has skills like the vision and feel that won't show up at the combine. I hope you're right and he's faster than I remembered because I liked him.

He looks pretty fast to me. Not sure about a forty time but he explodes through the hole. I'd say he has really good short area burst.

My guess is he is in that 4.5- 4.55 range speed. Which is very good for a 215 pound dude.

Not sure how important a 40 is for a RB though. Bucky Irving isn't very big and ran a 4.55 forty but is a pretty explosive RB.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He looks pretty fast to me. Not sure about a forty time but he explodes through the hole. I'd say he has really good short area burst.

Agree, that's what I meant -- he has great short area burst. But once he got free, he got caught before he turn it into a 60 yard TD. I'm sure some teams will penalize him for that (maybe rightfully so to some degree) but I still think he might be a good second back.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Agree, that's what I meant -- he has great short area burst. But once he got free, he got caught before he turn it into a 60 yard TD. I'm sure some teams will penalize him for that (maybe rightfully so to some degree) but I still think he might be a good second back.

That's fair but I wouldn't penalize a guy for not being able to outrun everyone on the field for 60 yards. Those are rare and he can still get big gains with his speed.

I think he would be a really good fourth round pick who you could pair with another RB. I don't worry about #1 or #2 when it comes to RB. I don't believe in running one guy into the ground. I think a 2 back offense is really where it's at.

 

[Simpleton]

Even if we take Jeanty in the first or Hampton in the second or whatever, I'd consider taking another RB in the 5th range given the depth of the class.

Neal is one of the main guys I'd have in mind there, plus guys like Skattebo, Brooks and Jarquez Hunter.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Even if we take Jeanty in the first or Hampton in the second or whatever, I'd consider taking another RB in the 5th range given the depth of the class.

Neal is one of the main guys I'd have in mind there, plus guys like Skattebo, Brooks and Jarquez Hunter.

Yeah I like Neal as more of an all around back than those guys. But if you want someone who is more specialized I get that too.

 

[Simpleton]

Since it seems like Jeanty's touch count (750 carries, 80 receptions, 830 total) is going to be a big topic leading up to the draft I figured I'd look up a few of the guys who went in the top 15-20 over the last 20ish years and went on to have very strong, and sometimes HoF careers:

Adrian Peterson: 748 carries, 24 receptions - 772 total
Edgerrin James: 489 carries, 42 receptions - 531 total
Jamal Lewis: 487 carries , 39 receptions - 526 total
Shaun Alexander: 727 carries, 62 receptions - 789 total
LaDainian Tomlinson: 907 carries, 39 receptions - 946 total
Christian McCaffrey: 632 carries, 99 receptions - 731 total
Ezekiel Elliott: 592 carries, 58 receptions - 650 total
Saquon Barkley - 671 carries, 102 receptions - 773 total

That's basically a list of the best RB's of the last 20+ years and most of them were pushing 650-700+ carries and 750+ total touches in college. Most of them continued playing at a high level until about 27-28 except for Elliott who I think we can recognize in hindsight had an issue in terms of his work ethic/football character.

I think there's plenty of good arguments for not taking Jeanty but I think the "weak competition" or "too much of a college workload" ones are flimsy and people looking for reasons not to take him. Like is the fact that he had 50 more touches than someone like Barkley or Peterson truly a dealbreaker, especially when we'll be picking in the 11-15 range as opposed to top 5-10 like most of these guys went?

 

[NoDak]

Edgerrin James and Jamal Lewis had 300 less touches. That's an entire season difference. Not sure they're very good examples.

 

[Simpleton]

Edgerrin James and Jamal Lewis had 300 less touches. That's an entire season difference. Not sure they're very good examples.

No but I wasn't going to just include the guys who had similar touches, the point was to show most of the top RB's taken high over the last 20+ years who turned out well without cherry picking to show that most of them were in the same range as Jeanty.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Damn, look at Tomlinson! Almost a thousand. And I don't remember any durability problems with him.

I wonder if it matters that most of Jeanty's hits were in the Mountain West. It's not like he was getting hit his whole career like he did vs Penn St the other night. Fwiw, TCU was in limbo between the SWC and the Big XII when Tomlinson was there IIRC.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Damn, look at Tomlinson! Almost a thousand. And I don't remember any durability problems with him.

I wonder if it matters that most of Jeanty's hits were in the Mountain West. It's not like he was getting hit his whole career like he did vs Penn St the other night. Fwiw, TCU was in limbo between the SWC and the Big XII when Tomlinson was there IIRC.

I think the type of hits definitely matter. Getting hit like he was against Penn State is vastly different then most of Boise States opponents.

Impact is all about force. Mass x acceleration. The lower programs are filled with guys who have less mass for their speed. Body just doesn't get hit by the same force when you're playing Portland State.

It's why NFL carries and hits are so much different than college football carries which are so much different than highschool football carries. Basically not all "touches" are created equal.

 

[Cujo]

Damn, look at Tomlinson! Almost a thousand. And I don't remember any durability problems with him.

I wonder if it matters that most of Jeanty's hits were in the Mountain West. It's not like he was getting hit his whole career like he did vs Penn St the other night. Fwiw, TCU was in limbo between the SWC and the Big XII when Tomlinson was there IIRC.

Yeah, but he was a generational guy.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah, but he was a generational guy.

Jeanty could be also, I think he's up there with Elliott and Barkley as a prospect, and better than Robinson.

I'm curious to see how he measures/runs at the Combine but he has everything, including being tied with Tomlinson for the most 70+ yard TD runs over the last 20-30 years.

 

[NoDak]

Jeanty could be also, I think he's up there with Elliott and Barkley as a prospect, and better than Robinson.

I'm curious to see how he measures/runs at the Combine but he has everything, including being tied with Tomlinson for the most 70+ yard TD runs over the last 20-30 years.

For a guy who claims to not care if we draft Jeanty or not, you sure do shill for him a lot.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Jeanty could be also, I think he's up there with Elliott and Barkley as a prospect, and better than Robinson.

I'm curious to see how he measures/runs at the Combine but he has everything, including being tied with Tomlinson for the most 70+ yard TD runs over the last 20-30 years.

This is why he might not even last until pick 12 or 13 for us. It's a weak draft at the top and Jeanty is at least in the ball park of a guy like Robinson who went 8th in the draft. It's going to be funny when all this becomes a moot point and the guy goes in the top 10.

 

[Rev]

For a guy who claims to not care if we draft Jeanty or not, you sure do shill for him a lot.

Count me in on that boat as well but I think I prefer him higher than Simp does. I do see the argument of depth of position and would be fine with that as well.

And we still have the late risers to come as well as the workout warriors that may push people down to us so things could change.

 

[NoDak]

Count me in on that boat as well but I think I prefer him higher than Simp does. I do see the argument of depth of position and would be fine with that as well.

And we still have the late risers to come as well as the workout warriors that may push people down to us so things could change.

I'd be happy if we took him. But not gonna slit my wrists if we don't.

 

[Simpleton]

For a guy who claims to not care if we draft Jeanty or not, you sure do shill for him a lot.

I don't "not care", he's likely to be one of the top options at our pick so obviously I've gone in depth watching him and have an opinion. I'm just not all in on him to the point I'd be upset about passing on him as long as they don't do something idiotic.

He's a consensus top 5-8 prospect in the class and I came to that conclusion about two months ago myself, so of course I think he'd be a good pick, but if they go elsewhere and take one of the front 7 players with a RB in the 2nd/3rd that's fine too.

 

[Smitty]

I’d prefer Hampton in the second to Jeanty in the first. Problem is I don’t see a WR worth a damn at our spot likely in the first, and what we need is offensive skill position talent since we are saddled with a shitbag of a QB.

Is there an impact edge rusher there?

 

[Rev]

I’d prefer Hampton in the second to Jeanty in the first. Problem is I don’t see a WR worth a damn at our spot likely in the first, and what we need is offensive skill position talent since we are saddled with a shitbag of a QB.

Is there an impact edge rusher there?

I've seen James Pearce from Tennessee mocked in that area.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I’d prefer Hampton in the second to Jeanty in the first. Problem is I don’t see a WR worth a damn at our spot likely in the first, and what we need is offensive skill position talent since we are saddled with a shitbag of a QB.

Is there an impact edge rusher there?

Shocked, shocked I tell you!!!

Anyone you like besides Hampton? I like him too. But I'm not ready to pencil him in as our second round pick either. Luckily there are a number of backs in this draft I would be pretty happy about.