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Misplaced anger.. ..



Stephen is letting his dad take the hit.
 
Cotton said:


Finally the fans are catching up to what I tried to convince them of 15 years ago. Search for #FireJerrytheGm on twitter. A lot of fans are fed up. Finally.
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Yeah, I think the blatant disregard for improving the team in the off-season coupled with their insulting of the fans' intelligence by claiming that the lack of effort was due to the cap just broke a lot of people.
 
Is Stephen the one with a hard-on for a broken down Zeke?

Is Stephen the one who flushed a fourth rounder for a QB the Niners knew couldn't play and were desperate to get rid of?

STFU, Connor Livesay.
 
Genghis Khan said:
It's both.

It's silly to suggest we should let Jerry off the hook just because Stephen is probably more hands on.

Jerry clearly signs off on all this.

It's both.
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not saying to let Jerry off the hook but you want change then its Stephen that you need to focus on. Jerry might sign off on it but he doesn't have the biggest voice in the room anymore.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Is Stephen the one with a hard-on for a broken down Zeke?

Is Stephen the one who flushed a fourth rounder for a QB the Niners knew couldn't play and were desperate to get rid of?

STFU, Connor Livesay.
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It's a combination of both, at this point I think Stephen is mostly to blame for the roster deficiencies, but he also gets a decent amount of credit for the fact that we've had really good rosters over the last few years (and even now arguably).

Jerry deserves the blame for the general dysfunctional culture, which I think is mostly to blame for the failures of the last few years.
 
Right, I do give Stephen credit for the better drafting. He definitely is making most of the day to day decisions now.

But everything that happens with the structure of this team still happens only if Jerry allows it. And he still inserts himself directly in cases like the ones I mentioned.
 
Rev said:
not saying to let Jerry off the hook but you want change then its Stephen that you need to focus on. Jerry might sign off on it but he doesn't have the biggest voice in the room anymore.
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Yeah, but it is the culture and environment that is in-place that allows for this dysfunctional management of the football operations of the franchise to even exist and all of that can be attributed to Jerry Jones.

Stephen Jones wouldn't be in the position he's in if not for the nepotism that Jerry Jones is guilty of. Jerry is the reason why so many people in that organization have positions that they aren't qualified for and don't belong in.
 
Rev said:
not saying to let Jerry off the hook but you want change then its Stephen that you need to focus on. Jerry might sign off on it but he doesn't have the biggest voice in the room anymore.
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I don't think it's about the biggest voice, I think it's about who's finger is on the button.

Jerry has always listened to the biggest voice, whether it was a coach like Parcells or a personnel guy like Ciskowski or Lacewell, or someone like Stephen.

I think Stephen has a high level of influence, is probably the biggest voice in the room most of the time, and even has some measure of autonomy...but ultimately it's still Jerry that has to be convinced most of the time.

It's both.
 
And this won't even be a blip on the radar. The team will still operate same as usual, to a sold out crowd.

If you think this will affect anything, you're fooling yourself.
 
NoDak said:
And this won't even be a blip on the radar. The team will still operate same as usual, to a sold out crowd.

If you think this will affect anything, you're fooling yourself.
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Yeah although those sold out crowds might not be all Cowboys fan anymore. They will still sell out. It's the same money to Jerry.
 
You guys really think he's not the boss but just wants to claim he is?

I think you underestimate the ego and narcissism of a guy like Jerry. He built this whole thing and he isn't turning over his baby to anybody -- even his spawn -- until and unless he's completely incapacitated. (And maybe not even then.)
 
Chocolate Lab said:
You guys really think he's not the boss but just wants to claim he is?

I think you underestimate the ego and narcissism of a guy like Jerry. He built this whole thing and he isn't turning over his baby to anybody -- even his spawn -- until and unless he's completely incapacitated. (And maybe not even then.)
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My opinion? He is the boss but not in the sense that he is all that involved. I think most of the work is delegated to his son. Sure he may have final say. But he isn't looking at free agent lists, he isn't deciding who to sign. Take the Randy Gregory situation for example. He was totally out of the loop on that thing, stepped in and then delegated the work to some dude who then blew the deal over a clause in the contract.

So is Jerry the GM? I don't think he is in the sense of what most NFL teams GM's actually do under their job description. He is the GM in the sense that he has final say on everything. But isn't that true of all owners? Jerry isn't out there watching film of college or pro players. He isn't putting in 99% of the work that a real GM does. Most of that is being done by Stephen and to some extent Will McClay. But Jerry is still going to sit in the room for an interview with a coach. He is still going to give thumbs up or thumbs down to an extension.

For the most part Jerry is off riding his yacht and getting drunk at games.
 
I think that is pretty much how it is. That is why you get Jerry saying All in and Stephen correcting him a day later. I think Jerry is getting Bidened.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
My opinion? He is the boss but not in the sense that he is all that involved. I think most of the work is delegated to his son. Sure he may have final say. But he isn't looking at free agent lists, he isn't deciding who to sign. Take the Randy Gregory situation for example. He was totally out of the loop on that thing, stepped in and then delegated the work to some dude who then blew the deal over a clause in the contract.

So is Jerry the GM? I don't think he is in the sense of what most NFL teams GM's actually do under their job description. He is the GM in the sense that he has final say on everything. But isn't that true of all owners? Jerry isn't out there watching film of college or pro players. He isn't putting in 99% of the work that a real GM does. Most of that is being done by Stephen and to some extent Will McClay. But Jerry is still going to sit in the room for an interview with a coach. He is still going to give thumbs up or thumbs down to an extension.

For the most part Jerry is off riding his yacht and getting drunk at games.
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I think he's way more involved than you are hinting at here.

I think it's more than just final "say", it's mostly final "decision".

Meaning he's not just rubber stamping what other people are doing; other people are coming to him (and Stephen) and say, I think we should do X, and Jerry (or sometimes Stephen) makes the decision of whether we do it or not. And if there are multiple choices presented by multiple people, Jerry chooses.

This is not what other owners do.

No, he's not watching game film or researching other rosters or brainstorming how to maximize cap space or those types of things, he leaves that to other people. But those other people present their findings to him and the decisions are (mostly) in his lap.

And yes, Stephen has a very, very big say and I do believe has some level of autonomy on lesser decisions and even on overall strategy.

But I think if Jerry wants to do X and Stephen wants to do Y, X gets done unless Stephen does a very good job of convincing Jerry to switch to Y.

Stephen has a lot of power and influence, and Jerry has ultimate power and the vitriol fans feel should be directed at both.

I think what we are seeing right now and have been seeing for years now is Stephen's plan. But it's only happening because Jerry agrees with it.
 
Genghis Khan said:
I think he's way more involved than you are hinting at here.

I think it's more than just final "say", it's mostly final "decision".

Meaning he's not just rubber stamping what other people are doing; other people are coming to him (and Stephen) and say, I think we should do X, and Jerry (or sometimes Stephen) makes the decision of whether we do it or not. And if there are multiple choices presented by multiple people, Jerry chooses.

This is not what other owners do.

No, he's not watching game film or researching other rosters or brainstorming how to maximize cap space or those types of things, he leaves that to other people. But those other people present their findings to him and the decisions are (mostly) in his lap.

And yes, Stephen has a very, very big say and I do believe has some level of autonomy on lesser decisions and even on overall strategy.

But I think if Jerry wants to do X and Stephen wants to do Y, X gets done unless Stephen does a very good job of convincing Jerry to switch to Y.

Stephen has a lot of power and influence, and Jerry has ultimate power and the vitriol fans feel should be directed at both.

I think what we are seeing right now and have been seeing for years now is Stephen's plan. But it's only happening because Jerry agrees with it.
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I think you perfectly described the situation.

I'd be surprised if this wasn't exactly how that operation was run.

I do get C'rocks point though, and to some degree I agree with him. I don't think he's as heavily involved in some things as he used to be as I noticed that started to change after he got the new stadium.

That replaced the Cowboys as his pride and joy and that's when began relinquishing a little control of various things.

However, there's no way he's not going to at least be involved in the decision making process for EVERYTHING Cowboys related. So even if he doesn't do as much day to day work for X aspect of the team, he's still the one who signs off on it and most likely wants to be filled in about whatever X is before moving forward with it.
 
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