2023 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

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NoDak said:
If Dak isn't the guy, why would somebody trade for him? I mean, I get taking a chance on a guy in a reclamation project, but if that's what it is, why would somebody give us high enough picks where we could use that as ammo to move up for somebody?
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See my above comment. If you could get two firsts and change then you could really maneuver into position to get another top guy.
 
boozeman said:
Typically trades that include going up for a rookie involves a dance partner with two firsts and a QB who would be in the market to bail on a potential franchise QB in the draft. And that team will not have an interest in dropping down far.

But hey. A team could be so dogshit bad AND maybe, just maybe not want a QB. And trade with the Cowboys who likely would not be in the top ten.

It could happen. And stuff.
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The Eagles take advantage of teams all the time. Pretending we can’t is just laziness.
 
ravidubey said:
The way to do it is to use your 2nd round pick on a QB.

First thing, it sends a message: No one is safe, and everyone competes.

Second, it gives you a talented backup.

Third, your top guy can’t hold you hostage during negotiations, especially if the draftee turns out to be pretty good.

Fourth, if your top guy responds, you’ll have no trouble trading your soon to be seasoned backup.

Eagles have done this three times in my memory, each time resulting in either a successful trade or new starting QB.

The Pats did this with Jimmy G, Whackers did it with Rodgers and with Love.

If your starter gets butt hurt like a little bitch after the draft, or your locker room divides, then your starter isn’t a Superbowl QB anyway.
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The vast majority of 2nd/3rd rounders end up as completely worthless busts, not even credible backups for the majority of them. I'm fine rolling the dice but let's not act like it's a high value proposition.

And Rodgers was a first.
 
To answer the question about trading Dak, we'd have to get lucky with a deep QB class (not some slop shit like last year with guys like Richardson artificially getting pushed up) to coincide with at least a team or two in the top 5-7 who'd be open to moving down 15-20 slots.

It's a far fetched scenario, and obviously if we end up in a 2020-type scenario that's a different story, but I'd be open to it.

If Dak is an asshole about this next extension, i.e. pushing for 50+/year, I'd be on the phone ASAP after the season ends assuming we don't at least make the NFCC. There's no way of knowing that obviously but that's the stance I'd take.
 
Smitty said:
See my above comment. If you could get two firsts and change then you could really maneuver into position to get another top guy.
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But that’s what I mean. If you think he’s a guy that can’t get you past the first round of the playoffs, why would you think someone would give up two firsts for him?
 
NoDak said:
But that’s what I mean. If you think he’s a guy that can’t get you past the first round of the playoffs, why would you think someone would give up two firsts for him?
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Cause other teams give that haul for those types of QBs. Look at the Colts with Wentz.
 
Simpleton said:
To answer the question about trading Dak, we'd have to get lucky with a deep QB class (not some slop shit like last year with guys like Richardson artificially getting pushed up) to coincide with at least a team or two in the top 5-7 who'd be open to moving down 15-20 slots.

It's a far fetched scenario, and obviously if we end up in a 2020-type scenario that's a different story, but I'd be open to it.

If Dak is an asshole about this next extension, i.e. pushing for 50+/year, I'd be on the phone ASAP after the season ends assuming we don't at least make the NFCC. There's no way of knowing that obviously but that's the stance I'd take.
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That's a very good point. A lot of drafts like last year have first round QBs that are artificially inflated.
Meanwhile even the ones that seem pretty good, like 2016, crap out. Goff and Wentz looked like legitimate prospects. Except it turns out that Dak in the 4th round was probably the best QB from that draft.

It's one thing if you are already drafting high and just take a bust at your slot. It's quite another to sink multiple resources plus your only viable QB into it. It can be crippling.

Our best case scenario is that Dak figures out that final hump and gets us to a championship.
 
Smitty said:
Cause other teams give that haul for those types of QBs. Look at the Colts with Wentz.
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Your best hope is that McCarthy leaves and whatever new team he is with he tries to convince them to trade for Dak. Or a contract breakdown on the extension that turns volatile.

Personally I hope this season shows us none of that should happen.
 
shoop said:
Because Dak is at least as good as Deshaun Watson and they got 3 1s, a 3, and a 4 for him.
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It isn't an easy question and I appreciate you specifying the draft picks. I'm sure the Cowboys have attempted to answer this question for themselves (their analytics people or someone else), there's just too much invested in and riding on the QB position for the franchise not to look at it from all angles.

You mentioned Watson. He's the first guy I thought of too. But then the Aaron Rodger trade came to mind. Here's the Aaron Rodgers trade details:

Jets receive:
QB Aaron Rodgers
2023 first-round pick (No. 15 overall)
2023 fifth-round pick (No. 170 overall)

Packers receive:
2023 first-round pick (No. 13)
2023 second-round pick (No. 42)
2023 sixth-round pick (No. 207)
2024 conditional second-round pick (becomes a first if Rodgers plays 65 percent of snaps)

To me, it looks like that trade basically boiled down to two second round picks (one this year, one next) for the QB. And salary cap room.

Dak isn't as accomplished as Rodgers, but he's younger and doesn't have the same kind of baggage. Dak is expensive. So put it all together and maybe he'd be worth roughly two 2nd round picks.
 
ZeroClub said:
It isn't an easy question and I appreciate you specifying the draft picks. I'm sure the Cowboys have attempted to answer this question for themselves (their analytics people or someone else), there's just too much invested in and riding on the QB position for the franchise not to look at it from all angles.

You mentioned Watson. He's the first guy I thought of too. But then the Aaron Rodger trade came to mind. Here's the Aaron Rodgers trade details:

Jets receive:
QB Aaron Rodgers
2023 first-round pick (No. 15 overall)
2023 fifth-round pick (No. 170 overall)

Packers receive:
2023 first-round pick (No. 13)
2023 second-round pick (No. 42)
2023 sixth-round pick (No. 207)
2024 conditional second-round pick (becomes a first if Rodgers plays 65 percent of snaps)

To me, it looks like that trade basically boiled down to two second round picks (one this year, one next) for the QB. And salary cap room.

Dak isn't as accomplished as Rodgers, but he's younger and doesn't have the same kind of baggage. Dak is expensive. So put it all together and maybe he'd be worth roughly two 2nd round picks.
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It's really hard to say what a team will trade for a guy. In Watsons case there were multiple contenders. In Rodgers case, the Jets were bidding against no one and the Packers were not keeping Rodgers no matter what. Kind of like the Cooper trade where the Cowboys made it clear they weren't keeping him. Other WRs went for a lot more. But AJ Brown for example wasn't going anywhere unless a team traded for him.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Plus Jerry blows at trading. When is the last time we traded away a player for anything of real value?
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This is why I would be very nervous if the Cowboys decided to put Dak on the trade block. They'd kill his value by announcing to the world that he'll either be traded or released by a certain day. In those scenarios teams typically just decide to wait you out because they know you're releasing the player in the near future.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
It's really hard to say what a team will trade for a guy. In Watsons case there were multiple contenders. In Rodgers case, the Jets were bidding against no one and the Packers were not keeping Rodgers no matter what. Kind of like the Cooper trade where the Cowboys made it clear they weren't keeping him. Other WRs went for a lot more. But AJ Brown for example wasn't going anywhere unless a team traded for him.
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Yeah, it's very hard to say. A bidding war would spike value, for sure.

Dak has a no trade clause in his contract, which could mean that he'd single out only one team as a possibility (preventing a bidding war).

Here's a bit of trivia (not really relevant now). About 30 years ago, the Chiefs traded a 1st round pick to the 49ers for Joe Montana, Dave Whitmore (safety), and the 49er's 3 round pick.
 
shoop said:
Because Dak is at least as good as Deshaun Watson and they got 3 1s, a 3, and a 4 for him.
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That will go down as the QB deal that fucked everyone going forward. It is not a standard that many teams will follow.
 
1bigfan13 said:
This is why I would be very nervous if the Cowboys decided to put Dak on the trade block. They'd kill his value by announcing to the world that he'll either be traded or released by a certain day. In those scenarios teams typically just decide to wait you out because they know you're releasing the player in the near future.
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Plus they struggle with the entire process of marketing a talent and then creating a glide path to a trade. Trying to peddle off your starting QB would be a clown show.
 
Dak is Jerry's boy. I doubt Jerry would trade him for three firsts.
 
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