2022 Cowboys Free Agency Thread

Genghis Khan said:
And honestly, it's been working better for them because they've replaced spending with drafting well.
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So you think if they spend they'll stop drafting well...?:unsure
I don't think those things are linked, in fact I'd wager spending would give more freedom to draft the BPA, but we're talking about teh Joneses (yes, plural!) so who knows...
 
Romo signed a big deal and couldn't stay on the field. Zeke signed a big deal and got old overnight. Throw in the Frederick situation and you've got your share of bad luck.
 
Genghis Khan said:
I dont think that's even true. They used to sign big ticket guys - Leonard Davis, Laroi Glover, Terrell Owens, Brandon Carr, etc.

In the past decade or so, they've stopped doing that. They've absolutely changed their tactics.

And honestly, it's been working better for them because they've replaced spending with drafting well.

To me the problem seems to be that they don't understand that there's a middle ground.

You can participate in free agency without spending like drunken sailors. You can push money into future years without risking future cap hell.

There are times to spend a little.

And in most cases you should be keeping and paying your contributors unless you have a better option to replace them with.

I think they'll be competitive next season. Maybe even win the division. But that's it. They aren't going any further than the first or second round of the playoffs with this roster unless they get super lucky in the draft or super lucky with their divisional round opponent.

And you cant rely on that, which is why we're sitting here without so much as a championship appearance in 27 years.

The problem isn't that they can't compete, it's that they refuse to do what it takes to get over the hump.

Spend a little. Round out the roster. Keep your elite WR. Keep your starting quality RT. Keep your options open. If you want to move on from a player, only move on if what you get back in return is more valuable than what you are giving up.

Next year will be ok.
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This is exactly right, there is no middle ground, and it's either a result of pure ignorance/lack of critical thought or stubbornness.

Either way, the only way they're allowed to continue this way is because there's no real accountability, Stephen isn't losing his position any more than he's going to stop being Jerry's son.

There is just a fundamental lack of urgency/desperation that exists in the majority of front offices, they want to win of course, but they aren't desperate to like people whose livelihoods and careers are truly in the balance.
 
bbgun said:
Romo signed a big deal and couldn't stay on the field. Zeke signed a big deal and got old overnight. Throw in the Frederick situation and you've got your share of bad luck.
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The Frederick situation really was ridiculous, we basically missed out on 5ish more years of a Pro Bowl/potential HoF center because of some rare autoimmune thing that affects like 0.5% of the population.
 
bbgun said:
Romo signed a big deal and couldn't stay on the field. Zeke signed a big deal and got old overnight. Throw in the Frederick situation and you've got your share of bad luck.
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I mean there is definitely a number of players in the NFL who work their asses off for that big pay day. They play with a chip on their shoulder and all that stuff for the first 4 or 5 years of their career. And then they get life changing money and it does change some of those guys. You're goals shift and you lose at least one of the things motivating you. So yeah, you do have to be cautious about which guys to pay that money to and it's not always obvious that a guy will become complacent or lazy.

I don't think that was Romo, Zeke or Frederick obviously but shit happens. You either take a chance to succeed or you just ensure failure by not trying.
 
Angrymesscan said:
So you think if they spend they'll stop drafting well...?:unsure
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How is that your takeaway from what I said?

Their heaviest spending was in part a consequence of drafting poorly. In a lot of ways it does go hand in hand. And if they spend big money on a position it probably closes their mind on that position with a premium draft pick.

But I'm not even saying that, I'm saying good drafting is more reliable than big free agent spending, if a team is going to choose only one or the other (as we appear to have done).
 
Genghis Khan said:
I dont think that's even true. They used to sign big ticket guys - Leonard Davis, Laroi Glover, Terrell Owens, Brandon Carr, etc.

In the past decade or so, they've stopped doing that. They've absolutely changed their tactics.

And honestly, it's been working better for them because they've replaced spending with drafting well.

To me the problem seems to be that they don't understand that there's a middle ground.

You can participate in free agency without spending like drunken sailors. You can push money into future years without risking future cap hell.

There are times to spend a little.

And in most cases you should be keeping and paying your contributors unless you have a better option to replace them with.

I think they'll be competitive next season. Maybe even win the division. But that's it. They aren't going any further than the first or second round of the playoffs with this roster unless they get super lucky in the draft or super lucky with their divisional round opponent.

And you cant rely on that, which is why we're sitting here without so much as a championship appearance in 27 years.

The problem isn't that they can't compete, it's that they refuse to do what it takes to get over the hump.

Spend a little. Round out the roster. Keep your elite WR. Keep your starting quality RT. Keep your options open. If you want to move on from a player, only move on if what you get back in return is more valuable than what you are giving up.

Next year will be ok.
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What do you think ‘ok’ translates to? And if the final tally isn’t an improvement over this past ‘21-‘22 season, is it really ok? Treading water and winning this bad division should not be the measure of success. I need improvement and advancement to believe there’s hope for this franchise.
 
Genghis Khan said:
How is that your takeaway from what I said?

Their heaviest spending was in part a consequence of drafting poorly. In a lot of ways it does go hand in hand. And if they spend big money on a position it probably closes their mind on that position with a premium draft pick.

But I'm not even saying that, I'm saying good drafting is more reliable than big free agent spending, if a team is going to choose only one or the other (as we appear to have done).
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Exactly, if you draft like shit, you don't have top players to resign and spend money on. Then you have no choice but to spend in free agency. So yes the two do relate.

But you can also resign your own top players and sign free agents like we have all talked about. You've got to find a way to be better then everyone else. And even if you're the best drafting team in the NFL that won't get you there alone as the other teams are using 2 avenues to improve talent as opposed to just one.
 
The Jones approach lacks balance. It’s almost entirely draft based. And that clearly doesn’t get you to the top, just as a FA heavy approach is equally flawed.
 
p1_ said:
What do you think ‘ok’ translates to? And if the final tally isn’t an improvement over this past ‘21-‘22 season, is it really ok? Treading water and winning this bad division should not be the measure of success. I need improvement and advancement to believe there’s hope for this franchise.
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I think you misunderstood me.

By ok, I mean if they push money into next year, they'll still be ok with the cap.

They are sacrificing this year for next year, and they've been doing so for several years now. At some point, "this" year should be more important. We're not going to collapse into cap hell next year. Next year will still be ok.
 
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p1_ said:
The Jones approach lacks balance. It’s almost entirely draft based. And that clearly doesn’t get you to the top, just as a FA heavy approach is equally flawed.
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Add to that the fact that we are unquestionably arrogant about the draft and it is very very unbalanced.
 
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I think he was pretty good in New Orleans, but I haven't heard much about him since. I think it's the same guy I'm thinking of.
 
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