2021 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

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Simpleton said:
Of course I remember but the end result is the end result. These buffoons learned the importance of the OL under Garrett because they have to be beat over the head with it and then see it succeed, kind of like leading a small child to a very obvious conclusion very slowly until they get it.

It took a bunch of shit to get to that point but it's water under the bridge now.
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My point is that Garrett didn't teach them the importance of shit.
 
boozeman said:
My point is that Garrett didn't teach them the importance of shit.
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No, this just isn’t true. See, this is the shit that is just stupid.

Garrett absolutely placed an emphasis on the OL that Jerry had forgotten or more likely never learned to begin with.

Yeah there was it’s share of Phil Costa’s, can’t remake it in a day. Three first round OL selections, Garrett had more of a hand in that then anyone else in the owner’s box.
 
Smitty said:
Garrett absolutely placed an emphasis on the OL that Jerry had forgotten or more likely never learned to begin with.
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Well except when he wanted the shiny new toy Eifert and threw a tantrum when Jerry overruled him and traded down and picked Fredbeard
 
jsmith6919 said:
Well except when he wanted the shiny new toy Eifert and threw a tantrum when Jerry overruled him and traded down and picked Fredbeard
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boozeman said:
My point is that Garrett didn't teach them the importance of shit.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that our first 1st rounder under Garrett, top 10 no less, was an LT. And this was 20+ years in to literally never going OL in the first under Jerry.

They may have gone about it in a half-assed way initially but I definitely think Garrett had a hand in breaking that streak as well as the Martin pick, and thus helping develop this so-called organizational belief in building through the OL.
 
Simpleton said:
I don't think it's a coincidence that our first 1st rounder under Garrett, top 10 no less, was an LT. And this was 20+ years in to literally never going OL in the first under Jerry.

They may have gone about it in a half-assed way initially but I definitely think Garrett had a hand in breaking that streak as well as the Martin pick, and thus helping develop this so-called organizational belief in building through the OL.
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Of course he did. But some on this board want to make it seem like he did literally nothing right, which is of course insane.
 
Smitty said:
No, this just isn’t true. See, this is the shit that is just stupid.

Garrett absolutely placed an emphasis on the OL that Jerry had forgotten or more likely never learned to begin with.

Yeah there was it’s share of Phil Costa’s, can’t remake it in a day. Three first round OL selections, Garrett had more of a hand in that then anyone else in the owner’s box.
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It's all just a guess, either way. You have no idea if it's true that it was Garrett's influence, just as you're claiming booze has no idea if it's not.
 
Tyron Smith was a no-brainer given the talent level and need, though JJ Watt would have also been a great choice.

Two years later Romo was all but vocally complaining about his protection and it was implied Jerry committed to getting him help up front.

I’ve always found it sadly fucking hilarious that the goddamned QB had to be the one to tell him.
 
Jerry was such a bad GM for such a long time. What a mess he made of things. IMO, he has no business in the Hall of Fame (despite his consequential business contributions to the league). His abysmal performance as GM should have disqualified him. He condemned the league's marquee franchise to multiple decades of failure.

I don't need for him to die in jail or something. If he joyfully raises another Super Bowl trophy, that's o.k., but it wouldn't make up for him subjecting the fan base to so many years of mediocrity.

It turns out that the only real fix for Jerry was aging. He's now so old that he defers to more capable, clear-headed people.

It isn't that Jerry got smart. It's that he got too old to cause as much harm.
 
I always believed Garrett pushed for offense because that was "his" side of the ball and he -- as always -- was extremely concerned with his image. And they had great talent at the skill positions back then with Dez, Witten, and Romo. They literally had pro bowl talent at every position especially once Murray came along. So the OL won out by default.

But the other point is, how sad that he needed great talent at every position for anything to work. Compare that to now with guys like Steele and Biadasz who weren't high picks, or picks at all.

Back to the first point, under Garrett we never saw a draft like this past one where the offense was coming off a terrible year but Mike still said this defense is unacceptable and we're going to pour almost all of our resources into that side of the ball. That's a real head coach and not a poser concerned with his side of the ball making him look good.
 
It took, what, a half dozen people to talk Jerry out of drafting Manziel? I don't think any single person gets the credit. It took a group intervention.

That was part of the problem with Jerry.

If/when someone writes the book, I'd like to hear about McClay's role. I assume Stephen was key too, not because of his football expertise, but because he knows what buttons to push, and which to avoid, with his father.
 
p1_ said:
and let's be honest. Hes having his best year, and playing much better.
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Way better than the first game of the season, for sure. He was a disaster in that first game.
 
boozeman said:
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I've always felt he was underrated over the years because he's merely a slightly above average starting CB, and of course Cowboys fans love fretting over CB's unless we have 3 Pro Bowlers there.

Like, we could definitely do better, but I'm fine with him starting until a clear and obvious upgrade presents itself. He's the reason I wasn't enthused with taking a CB at 10, and with the emergence of Diggs I'm even less inclined to try to replace him with a high pick.

We'd be able to save a good chunk of change by cutting him next year but at this point I think you have to keep him as insurance against guys like Joseph/Wright not actually being good.
 
Regarding yesterday's debate about who should be credited with changing the value of OL within the Cowboys organization, I'd argue that Will McClay played more of a role in that than Garrett.

IIRC, within a year or two of him taking a front office job, we started seeing them place more of an emphasis on investing in the OL.
 
ZeroClub said:
It took, what, a half dozen people to talk Jerry out of drafting Manziel? I don't think any single person gets the credit. It took a group intervention.

That was part of the problem with Jerry.
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I seem to remember someone close to the organization saying Jerry was one of those guys whose opinion is easily swayed by the last piece of information that he receives.

Meaning, the scouts and coaches could talk up and agree on a particular plan of action, but if someone got in Jerry's ear leading up to the decision point, it wasn't uncommon for Jerry to be easily swayed to deviate from the agreed upon plan.
 
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