2020 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread...

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Kirk is interesting but if I put him in this draft class, I don't think he cracks top 100.

This is exactly right. I like the player but he wouldn't be a second rounder in thos draft IMO. He also still has a lot to prove in the NFL. 10 YPC is not great for even a TE. Not all his fault but it's a sign he isn't making many plays down the field. A lot of manufactured stuff to try and get him in space.
 
Kirk is interesting but if I put him in this draft class, I don't think he cracks top 100.

I think this is a bit of hyperbole, he'd definitely go in the first 3 rounds of this draft. As a prospect I'd have preferred him over guys like Pittman, Gabriel Davis, Tyler Johnson and Bryan Edwards, all guys who should go in that 3rd/early 4th range.

That doesn't mean I'd give up our 3rd for him but if you dropped 2018 prospect Kirk in this draft I think he'd definitely go in the first 3.
 
Allbright is legit. Trumps Fisher's fake insider shit all to hell.
Yeah he's been right way more times than Fisher. Imo this whole thing is fakenews now
 
I'd give a 4th and a late round pick for Kirk and not have to think about it all that long.
 
I'd give a 4th and a late round pick for Kirk and not have to think about it all that long.

I'd definitely give that 4th. A rumor I just read says that the Cards already have 9 receivers on their roster, and even after adding Hopkins, they're talking about taking Lamb at #8 to reunite with Murray. If they do, there's no more room for Kirk. Hopkins, Fitz, Lamb, Isabella would as strong of a foursome as anyone in the league would have.

 
The Cowboys’ offseason program begins today and Mike McCarthy will be able to have his first team meeting "virtually," since being named coach. The Cowboys do not have any players with offseason workout bonuses, but they do have a number of players with de-escalators that would reduce their base salaries if they don’t take part in 90 percent of the program. Given the “virtual,” program this offseason, players would need to participate in these sessions to comply.


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How do you participate in a "virtual" workout?

Video chat, you forest dweller. Where the hell have you been the last month?
 
I'd love to get Kirk but don't see why Arizona would trade him for cheap which is what you know we'll offer

Yeah, I'd take Kirk in a heartbeat if the price was right.
 
I'm not saying they wouldn't trade him even, just that I bet it'll be quite a bit more expensive than we think. If I was them I'd consider it since this is a wr heavy draft but for nothing less than a 2nd, and I see SJ balking at that and finding someone cheaper

Maybe they have a deficit somewhere else that they need to address through the draft?
 
I think we got past the Garrett clusterfuck, but it took so long to do it that the team is not in that window anymore, at least along the OL.
It’s Tyrons last couple of gasps and we’re hoping Martins back is strong and at least one of the Connors becomes a player. Collins seems solid.

They’ll have flashes of dominance, and could benefit from some real coaching, but the dominating let Dak ponder his third and forth read at his leisure days are done.

We needed a coaching upgrade badly... and one could only wonder what a coach like Dante Scarnecchia might have done with the group in 2014.

That’s all in the past, and probably for the best. It was crazy to over-commit to the OL at the expense of the defense anyways.

Now we get to see what they do on D.

If they draft a bunch of DBs, well then the coaching change really didn’t help and we can tailor our expectations accordingly.
 
That was us, I thought.

The 49ers played a 3-4 with Michael Carter at nose when they had Haley.




The 49ers had the “elephant” position – a player who generally lined up at defensive end and was designed to mainly rush the passer. The 49ers now have a derivative of the position called the “Leo.”

The prototypical “elephant” was a smaller player who could line up anywhere and use speed and agility to get to the quarterback. However, the 49ers’ top “Leo” is Arik Armstead, who stands 6 foot 7. He dropped 15 pounds to increase his quickness and explosion.

However, Seifert said the original “elephant” was a college player at Stanford who had similar size to Armstead. Brian Holloway stood 6 foot 7 and weighed approximately the same as Armstead's current 275 pounds.

“He eventually became an offensive lineman in the NFL,” Seifert said of Holloway. “He was a big, talented athlete and we needed a pass-rusher. We created a fourth lineman and moved him around to rush at our advantage.

“When we got to the 49ers, we started doing the same thing with Fred Dean,” Seifert said.

Then, Charles Haley became a dominant player in the same role.

“He kind of became the anchor point of the defense. He was a great pass rusher and we put him in an advantageous position. And our coverage, wherever he was, would revolve toward him.”
 
No, the niners created the elephant position under BIll Walsh and George Seifert in the 80's

My point was it was a dedicated 3-4 defense and the term "elephant" was used to describe a guy used as the primary pass rusher. Most 3-4 defenses designate one of the OLBs to be that guy. The Saints also did that, they just didn't call the guy "elephant".

In our 1990's 4-3, we also designated an "elephant" and it could be a LB or DE. We used Haley that way and also Broderick Thomas for a minute, even though he wasn't a true DE.

But yeah, good call out on the 49ers being the first to use the term
 
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The 49ers had the “elephant” position – a player who generally lined up at defensive end and was designed to mainly rush the passer. The 49ers now have a derivative of the position called the “Leo.”

The prototypical “elephant” was a smaller player who could line up anywhere and use speed and agility to get to the quarterback. However, the 49ers’ top “Leo” is Arik Armstead, who stands 6 foot 7. He dropped 15 pounds to increase his quickness and explosion.

However, Seifert said the original “elephant” was a college player at Stanford who had similar size to Armstead. Brian Holloway stood 6 foot 7 and weighed approximately the same as Armstead's current 275 pounds.

“He eventually became an offensive lineman in the NFL,” Seifert said of Holloway. “He was a big, talented athlete and we needed a pass-rusher. We created a fourth lineman and moved him around to rush at our advantage.

“When we got to the 49ers, we started doing the same thing with Fred Dean,” Seifert said.

Then, Charles Haley became a dominant player in the same role.

“He kind of became the anchor point of the defense. He was a great pass rusher and we put him in an advantageous position. And our coverage, wherever he was, would revolve toward him.”

I never knew that. I actually know Brian Holloway. He lived in the Tampa area. He was drafted by the Patriots and played with them in the Super Bowl when the Bears crushed them. Ended up with the Raiders. Big Teddy bear of a guy and one of the most laid back guys you'd ever want to meet. He never told me that he was the original 'elephant'!

Thanks for sharing that info!
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