2020 Draft Weekend Chatter Thread...

mschmidt64 said:
I suspect the way bigger reason is because of the quarantine the Joneses more or less stayed out of McClay and the scout’s way more than ever before.
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I think that was a big part of it. I think it was a combination of luck and the quarantine. The quarantine prevented everyone from having their pet cats that they usually have which helped a lot in the later rounds. Luck set us up well in the earlier rounds. We probably weren't far off from taking Diggs in the first and Gallimore in the second. Would have changed the entire complexion of our draft without either player really being a reach on our board.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
I think that was a big part of it. I think it was a combination of luck and the quarantine. The quarantine prevented everyone from having their pet cats that they usually have which helped a lot in the later rounds. Luck set us up well in the earlier rounds. We probably weren't far off from taking Diggs in the first and Gallimore in the second. Would have changed the entire complexion of our draft without either player really being a reach on our board.
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I think so too, if anything, it should tell the Joneses to do it exactly like this every year: Turn it over to the scouts. I saw an article yesterday, maybe it was on DC.com, but it said something to the effect of "this was a real scout's draft." Ie, the scouts really led the charge more than other years.

As far as McCarthy's presence versus Garrett's, I mean, again, yes, McCarthy was a great coach in Green Bay up till I think it got stale for him at the end, and he should be an upgrade everywhere, but Garrett was not terrible at personnel nor was McCarthy great at it. I went back and looked at Green Bay's draft history from 2006-18 (McCarthy's tenure) and I'll straight up say it: It was bad. It's hard to compare every draft pick to every draft pick and quantify what counts as a hit, a miss, and the quality of each, but if you simply look at the first rounders, it's whiff after whiff after whiff, whereas we seem to hit on most of our firsts.

Listen to this list: AJ Hawk (stuck around but was very underwhelming), Justin Harrell (bust), BJ Raji (fine), Clay Matthews (very good), Bryan Bulaga (very good), Derrek Sherrod (bust), Nick Perry (mostly a bust), Datone Jones (bust), Haha Clinton Dix (ehh... fine), DeMarius Randall (bust), Kenny Clark (underwhelming).

Yikes.

Some of ours in that same time period.... Bobby Carpenter, yes, but Anthony Spencer (comparable to Nick Perry), Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins were three of our lessers but still hung on longer than a lot of theirs.... but we also had mega hits like Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, Ezekiel Elliott, Leighton VanderEsche, and even Byron Jones was ok.

I'm not saying McCarthy ran Green Bay's draft.

But I am gonna tap the breaks on handing him all the credit or even the majority of the credit for the 180 from last year to this year for us.

It was probably largely just things falling right for us, primarily, and secondly, Jones mostly staying out of McClay's way more than ever.

Consider this, though - if Lamb had simply not been passed over by a lot of other teams, and AJ Terrell somehow got by the Falcons, there is a strong chance that we take AJ Terrell over Chaisson.
 
I don't think you can judge McCarthy on his previous drafts. I still believe his new found belief in his analytical team paid off. That was a huge idea that he pushed in the hiring process. Hard to believe that he would just not use it.
 
I think McCarthy shuts up for the most part which is good. I think heblets the scouts do their job. The only player I heard he pushed for was a center in the late fourth round. And it was a smart move.

I think he had zero input with the Packers. drafts.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
I think McCarthy shuts up for the most part which is good. I think heblets the scouts do their job. The only player I heard he pushed for was a center in the late fourth round. And it was a smart move.

I think he had zero input with the Packers. drafts.
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Yeah, I'm not trying to hang the Packers draft failures on him.

Just saying... I'm not gonna sit here and be like "Oh yeah, this is all thanks to McCarthy!" Well..... no.

He probably pushes here or there like is rumored with Biadasz, and Garrett did that too. But I think he is way less of a GM-coach than maybe even Garrett was. Garrett liked to have his hands in the draft, I get the sense that McCarthy is more like Wade Phillips in that respect -- "Hey, you guys pick the players and I'll coach 'em up," -- though obviously he's superior to Wade Phillips in just about every other respect.

I think that's the one biggest reservation I have about McCarthy at this point. I do think he's a very good coach and I'm excited to see what he can do with the talent here. But Parcells came in here and grabbed the bull by the horns and changed the organization the way he saw fit, and that was necessary with the Jones family running a sinking ship. Then Wade came in and turned it all back over to them. Garrett was somewhere in the middle.

McCarthy seems like he's very deferential. He's too nice to the Joneses. He needs to be more like "I'm glad they hired me, now get the F outta my way, this is my locker room."
 
He should also lose a few pounds and go back to looking like 2008 Mike McCarthy, he was kind of a hefty but intimidating figure. Now he looks like chubby uncle mike.

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I do think McCarthy was huge in the "stick to the board" message, which he mentioned over and over again in the PCs after the first two rounds. In that way I think he's another Stephen ally in the fight against Jerry's impulsiveness. (Which I think is less of a factor than it used to be anyway.) Garrett just smiled for the cameras and didn't do much of anything.

Also a small note, they said he was pushing for the center, but he also mentioned Robinson in particular when he said he watched the tape and kept asking "Why isn't this guy up with the other top corners?" Lamb and Diggs were more generic comments about their strengths.
 
mschmidt64 said:
Consider this, though - if Lamb had simply not been passed over by a lot of other teams, and AJ Terrell somehow got by the Falcons, there isa strong chance that we take AJ Terrell over Chaisson.
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I don't think we would have. The team was enamored with Chaisson.

Now, if both Lamb and Chaisson were gone? Yeah, I could certainly see him being our choice then. Maybe even above a guy like Javon Kinlaw. They just didn't seem to have much interest in him. Medicals or something else... Who knows?
 
I don't think we would've taken Terrell over Chaisson either, but the love we had for Terrell and even Diggs in the 1st shows how delicate these things can be.

If the board fell a different way and we went with Terrell/Diggs in the 1st and a guy like Gallimore in the 2nd, that's a damned disaster. Mostly because of that horrific pick in the 1st, Gallimore in the 2nd would've been fine, just not amazing like it was getting him in the 3rd.
 
NoDak said:
My brother in law called him that shortly after we chose him. Is that a nickname that he already has?

I like it.
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I’m not sure. I saw where someone else had mentioned it on a youtube clip of his highlights. Thought it was pretty cool.
 
mschmidt64 said:
He should also lose a few pounds and go back to looking like 2008 Mike McCarthy, he was kind of a hefty but intimidating figure. Now he looks like chubby uncle mike.
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Well if this isn't the pot calling the kettle black, Mr. Tits Schmagee.
 
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