10 dead in Oregon Community College shooting

I think this is the most level-headed discussion we've had on a hot button issue in DCC history. :lol

If only the people in charge of the country could do the same on similar issues.
 
pdom said:
exactly. So why are we accepting of the existing bans on grenades, Gatling guns and other stuff? I'd like to mount a turret gun on my car, mad max style. Hunting would be much more fun.
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Some weapons are so dangerous that they cause a serious potential harm to the owner/operator of the weapon. The weapons you mention are so inherently dangerous that the operators themselves would be killing themselves half the time. That's why they need to be controlled at such a level. It isn't to protect people from intentional killings, it's to protect people from accidentally harming themselves and others.
 
1bigfan13 said:
I think this is the most level-headed discussion we've had on a hot button issue in DCC history. :lol

If only the people in charge of the country could do the same on similar issues.
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We have all gotten older and.... have matured?

Nah, maybe we are just older.
 
pdom said:
depends on which town. Full of Muslims?

we succeeded at throwin Americans into internment camps, but they were Japanese or at least looked like them. The relocation seemed peaceful enough, but If the japs had guns, maybe open a tank and fire.
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~flush~
 
1bigfan13 said:
Personally I wouldn't and I'd like to think that most American serviceman wouldn't either.
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Same here. In fact, I think the opposite would happen. If the order was given to start mowing down the American population, I think a lot of those in charge of those weapons would secure them and keep them from those in power. And probably use them against them.
 
mschmidt64 said:
I don't see that anyone has really addressed Townsend's point about the angry useless teen males being raised in this country versus elsewhere.

He's essentially saying that these types aren't in other developed countries that have gun control laws. Counterpoint?
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No counterpoint at all from me. We are moving to becoming a nation full of crazies.
 
NoDak said:
You are/were military, right? If you received an order to drop bombs into an American town, would you follow it? Or drive a tank in and open fire? I wouldn't. And I doubt the vast majority of American servicemen and women would, either.

There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass, and all that.
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Why wouldn't they? Cops do it all the time to private residences. SWAT goes in in full military gear, flash banging cribs, maybe kill innocent dude protecting his house because they no knocked it only to find out it was the wrong house. oops
 
Iamtdg said:
I mean, it takes one shot to take the whole plane down. On the ground, if you miss most of the time you just miss and it harms no one. In the air you can kill 180 people by missing. I am in favor of people being able to carry guns in just about every other scenario you can dream up, though.
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Someone can correct me, but I doubt one shot, other than a Luke Skywalker-to-Deathstar-moneyshot, could take a whole plane down. Otherwise, why the fuck do we have so many windows on planes for a terrorist to just punch through?

Wouldn't you agree that an armed citizenry would've prevented 9/11 from happening?
 
NoDak said:
Same here. In fact, I think the opposite would happen. If the order was given to start mowing down the American population, I think a lot of those in charge of those weapons would secure them and keep them from those in power. And probably use them against them.
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This is what I think (hope) would happen.
 
pdom said:
Stadiums, concerts, classrooms, courtrooms?
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Absolutely. I think we are to the point now where all teachers should be armed and trained to use the gun they are armed with.
 
Iamtdg said:
I wouldn't be opposed to that, but even that wouldn't necessarily stop things like this from happening. He very well could have taken one of his dad's guns. I don't know that he did, just saying he could have and adding this restriction wouldn't have kept this from happening.
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This one, maybe, or maybe not, but then there have been several of these over the past few years so we could probably have prevented some of them. We do need more education and awareness of keeping these weapons out of young people's hands. Sure, they might just break into and rob a gun store, but then if they are caught doing that they go to prison for a felony and your shooting could potentially be averted there.

dallen said:
Is this your idea? That's one of the smartest approaches to this I've read
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Yeah, I've been kicking that one around in my head for a while. As a gun owner I'd like to see a common sense solution before we get giant sweeping bans and end up back on the road to having no rights in this country like Booze wants.
 
Iamtdg said:
I mean, it takes one shot to take the whole plane down. On the ground, if you miss most of the time you just miss and it harms no one. In the air you can kill 180 people by missing. I am in favor of people being able to carry guns in just about every other scenario you can dream up, though.
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That's not actually true, that whole explosive decompression thing is a myth. The worst you get is cabin pressure drops and the O2 masks come down, even if you emptied a magazine into the skin of the plane.
 
Clay_Allison said:
That's not actually true, that whole explosive decompression thing is a myth. The worst you get is cabin pressure drops and the O2 masks come down, even if you emptied a magazine into the skin of the plane.
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Still not sure I would want guns on a plane. Maybe it's just the idea in my head of having no way out if something went wrong.
 
Iamtdg said:
Still not sure I would want guns on a plane. Maybe it's just the idea in my head of having no way out if something went wrong.
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I don't want guns on a plane because of how freaking crowded it is. You'd have to be shooting Jesus not to hit a bystander under pressure while people were panicking and getting in your way, jumping up out of their seats. I think a taser or stun gun would take down a hijacker pretty effectively.
 
NoDak said:
You are/were military, right? If you received an order to drop bombs into an American town, would you follow it? Or drive a tank in and open fire? I wouldn't. And I doubt the vast majority of American servicemen and women would, either.

There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass, and all that.
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~flush~

The reason for this would not be because they own automatic weapons, or do the American servicemen not follow orders in Afghanistan, etc. Those guys also have automatic weapons and even beyond that...
 
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